Hello All, Thanks to Jason I can debug on his Mac and now I can see what is happening:
In the very beginning Video track has readyState == "live" Audio track has readyState == "ended" According to MDN - "ended" which indicates that the input is not giving any more data and will never provide new data. So far I have no idea why this happens I can guess this is sort of security restriction to not allow "evil hackers" to record your beautiful voice Will try to investigate more On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 19:35, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Jason, > > I was busy with day-time job and other issues > Now I can investigate this one > Will send you personal email :) > > On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 21:38, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote: > >> With iPad/iPhone it doesn’t work with any browsers. If it was just as >> easy as use - a different browser than that would be ok. >> >> J >> >> >> >> On Thursday, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:43 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Sry I had no time to follow up with Apple/Webkit ticket to get their dev >> team to investigate. >> >> Although I think this is broken for any Web-Conferencing that uses Safari. >> >> Thanks, >> Seb >> >> Sebastian Wagner >> Director Arrakeen Solutions >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >> >> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 06:27, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote: >> >>> Any update on this? I have had to abandon using this until we users >>> with iPad and iPhones can use. >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 7:31 PM, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote: >>> Openmeetings 5.0 M4 I think. I can try the WebRTC. I did setup Maxim >>> to have remote access to a current MacBook for testing that had music >>> playing and camera. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:13 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Are you using the official webRTC samples or OpenMeetings ? >>> Or both ? :) >>> >>> I think in order to submit a bug to Apple/webkit its best to point >>> towards the official webRTC reference examples at: >>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/ >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Seb >>> >>> Sebastian Wagner >>> Director Arrakeen Solutions >>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>> >>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 09:22, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I have the same issue on iOS 14 beta. I have tried on iPhone and iPad. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 4:20 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I was supposed to create a bug in the Apple bug at bugs.webkit.org. >>>> >>>> And Apple were also asking me to: >>>> - Try iOS 14 beta. >>>> - Attach a sysdiagnose from the Mac to the bug report >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Seb >>>> >>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>> >>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 15:47, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sure I can put music on >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik < >>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hello Jason, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, that would be awesome :) >>>>> Does remote control for Mac allows to hear the sound? (overwise I >>>>> can't test it ...) >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 22:18, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can give you remote access to a Mac to test. >>>>>> >>>>>> J >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:48 AM, Maxim Solodovnik < >>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I'll try to ask if any of my friends owns Mac with latest Safari >>>>>> maybe I can borrow Mac to debug ... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 14:04, <seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nothing todo. >>>>>>> I was just updating on what I found out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So far the status is: confirming if issue is with Apple or not. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Seb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/08/2020, at 6:48 PM, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Sebastian, i don't understand the means of your message. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If i can do something, please tell me clear what... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ................. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El lun, 10-08-2020 a las 15:18 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>>>>> escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The webRTC issue is also manifesting in the official webRTC >>>>>>> reference code examples at: >>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do think other products will have the same issue on Safari13. But >>>>>>> I would be worth validating. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Somebody from Apple got in touch with me, and suggested that I >>>>>>> submit a ticket to bugs.webkit.org and attach sysdiagnose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I may try that and see if that gives some results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Seb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 18:00, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do see a few other video conferring products that have an app as >>>>>>> well as web based that are working on the iPad for the mic issue. They >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> open source so we could look and see what they did to resolve the issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, Aug 08, 2020 at 12:11 AM, seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> There doesn't seem to be much replies on the webRTC forums. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My only ideas are around usage of the MediaStreamConstraints and >>>>>>> some special Safari settings that need to be considered: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/MediaStreamConstraints/audio >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But there is very little in terms of finding out what >>>>>>> capabilities/MediaStreamConstraints Safari13 would support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Seb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 02:54, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not sure if I can help :( >>>>>>> I only have access to iMac which works as expected (can't fix >>>>>>> something I can't reproduce :(( ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:28, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, these are the result >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In >>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping >>>>>>> *YES* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound looping *NO* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *===========* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> # OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound super >>>>>>> sensitive >>>>>>> >>>>>>> # OSX *10.14.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic sound no >>>>>>> sensitive and dry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...something more? ...Avanti! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .............. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 18:51 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>>>>> escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh sure! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am just interested in - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar >>>>>>> *NO* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you test with those additionally on >>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and check if you get some feedback loop (that means its working!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> @Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> from my tests actually my >>>>>>> Safari works fine with some of those webRTC examples. Still very strange >>>>>>> how old Safari versions would work and later ones don't! >>>>>>> I am still not sure if this issue is related to an API change in >>>>>>> Safari, or if there something wrong with how OpenMeetings is using the >>>>>>> API >>>>>>> (and Safari13 exposing that in some way). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Seb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 17:46, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Sebastian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you please be a little more explicite? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Each OSX in my iMac it is installed on a phiyical hard drive >>>>>>> partition, then i must reboot the machine to go from one to >>>>>>> other OSX, and that is a little heavy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, could you say me in wich OSX you want i make the test, >>>>>>> with what browser and what examples in concret? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is around 43 examples. 43X6 = 258 test (6 are my OSXes >>>>>>> in the iMac, is also Yosemite). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please tell me, and with pleasure i wil make the testing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ........................... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El mié, 29-07-2020 a las 09:16 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>>>>> escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you try also some of the official examples from: >>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For example: >>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/input-output/ >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/devices/multi/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You will notice on Chrome you will get an immediate feedback loop >>>>>>> (which is quite annoying :)) But it actually means that it works! It >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> playback the sound directly again, and if you are not using a headset, >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> will lead to a audio-feedback loop/noise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Safari I have limited success with those. But they still seem to >>>>>>> work. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Sebastian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 02:44, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...'ve reloaded the page many times and no changes resultat. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ..................... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 16:11 +0200, Alvaro escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, here is my test in: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *#* OSX *10.11.6* - Safari *11.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When try recording appear a red message: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can't record (play) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =============== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *#* OSX *10.12.6* - Safari *12.0.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When try recording appear a red message: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OperationError: Expect at least 4 fields >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can't record (play) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =============== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *# *OSX *10.13.6* - Safari *12.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *YES* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can't record (play) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =============== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *# *OSX *10.14.6 * - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can't record (play) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =============== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *#* OSX *10.15.6* - Safari *13.1.2* - Cam yes - Mic green bar *NO* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can't record (play) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =============== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well Maxim, if is needed to test in any other way, please tell me, >>>>>>> but with words that those have not the tecnical knowting, like >>>>>>> me, can understand. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 14:41 +0200, Alvaro escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...am updatimg the OSes OSX. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry to read only the first parte of the url. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ................ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 18:54 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Alvaro, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please re-read my message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ============= >>>>>>> Hello Safari owners :) >>>>>>> Could you please visit >>>>>>> https://om.alteametasoft.com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell >>>>>>> me is it works as expected in Safari browser (11+) >>>>>>> Thanks in advance :)) >>>>>>> ============= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you please test this page with all Safari versions starting >>>>>>> with 11? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 18:03, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OSX 10.15.6 -- Safari 13.1.2 -- Private room ==> No green bar >>>>>>> mic >>>>>>> In one hour will test other safari versions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .................... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> El mar, 28-07-2020 a las 08:02 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik escribió: >>>>>>> > Hello Safari owners :)Could you please visit >>>>>>> https://om.alteametasoft >>>>>>> > .com:8443/next/hash?app=settings and tell me is it works as >>>>>>> expected >>>>>>> > in Safari browser (11+) >>>>>>> > Thanks in advance :)) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > @Sebastian, >>>>>>> > It is great idea to add NOTICE for Safari 13, I'm not sure It >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> > be added to OM UI .... >>>>>>> > Adding to UI means we have to add it to 35 languages and maintain >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 06:02, seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <seba.wagner@gmai >>>>>>> > l.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > If it's just limited to Safari13 then its prob fine. >>>>>>> > > Will we issue a warning though somehow? >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > The experience for a brand new user trying it for the first time >>>>>>> > > usually means they consider the application not ready and they >>>>>>> > > won't try again. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > So having some warning saying "Safari13 is currently only beta >>>>>>> > > support" it would definitely help a lot to manage those users not >>>>>>> > > getting angry! >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > We could just add a simple warning info text on the login page >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> > > example? >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Thanks >>>>>>> > > Seb >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> > > Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 at 00:11, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > Yes, release as-is... >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > ................. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > El lun, 27-07-2020 a las 13:14 +0700, Maxim Solodovnik >>>>>>> escribió: >>>>>>> > > > > I was hoping Develop->WebRTC switches can enable sound at >>>>>>> > > > > Safari 13And this might give as some insight of what can be >>>>>>> > > > > improved >>>>>>> > > > > (not sure if generic test application is useful anyhow) >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > @All, >>>>>>> > > > > Shall we release as-is or spent additional month+ trying to >>>>>>> > > > > investigate Safari 11 ? >>>>>>> > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 13:07, seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <seba.wagne >>>>>>> > > > > r...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > > No but the generic test application at >>>>>>> https://webrtc.github. >>>>>>> > > > > > io/samples/src/content/getusermedia/audio/ seems to work >>>>>>> > > > > > better now after restarting my Mac. >>>>>>> > > > > > However the OpenMeetings application setup application >>>>>>> seems >>>>>>> > > > > > to not do much when recording the stream. >>>>>>> > > > > > And there is no level-meter when audio/mic is enabled. >>>>>>> > > > > > And there is no sound output on a 2nd device when using >>>>>>> > > > > > Safari13 and enabling mic on the Safari device. Chrome >>>>>>> > > > > > however works fine. >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > Thanks >>>>>>> > > > > > Seb >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> > > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> > > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:45, Maxim Solodovnik >>>>>>> <solomax666@gm >>>>>>> > > > > > ail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > > > While testing with Safari 11 I noticed some "WebRTC" >>>>>>> > > > > > > submenu in "Develop" menuDo you have it on Safari 13? >>>>>>> > > > > > > Can you "play" with options? >>>>>>> > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:43, seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <seba.w >>>>>>> > > > > > > ag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > I think in Safari 11 they introduced support for >>>>>>> > > > > > > > audio/video: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history#Safa >>>>>>> > > > > > > > ri_11 >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > - Includes updated media controls for HTML5 video >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> > > > > > > > audio >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > - Adds support for new web technologies such as >>>>>>> WebRTC >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC>, Media >>>>>>> Capture >>>>>>> > > > > > > > API, Resource >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > Timing API, WebAssembly < >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki >>>>>>> > > > > > > > /WebAssembly>, >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > variable fonts, CSS strokes and more.[63] >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > < >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_version_history# >>>>>>> > > > > > > > cite_note-63> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > But then in Safari 13 there are quite a lot of changes >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safari-release- >>>>>>> > > > > > > > notes/safari-13-release-notes >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > Hm in terms of releasing, I am not sure, would be good >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> > > > > > > > get a few more >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > users to confirm on Safari13. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > If the issue is really a generic Safari13 limitation or >>>>>>> > > > > > > > not. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > Cheers >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > Seb >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > < >>>>>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af >>>>>>> > > > > > > > 6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > < >>>>>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9f >>>>>>> > > > > > > > af-099038475e36/public_url> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:38, Maxim Solodovnik >>>>>>> <solomax66 >>>>>>> > > > > > > > 6...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Well, >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > I'll try to find newer iMac, but have no idea where >>>>>>> ATM >>>>>>> > > > > > > > :((( >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > I will be on vacation 1-15 August without any access >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> > > > > > > > internet (maybe >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > occasional access to mobile internet) >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > I thought to release before my vacation >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Do you think it is possible? >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 12:35, seba.wag...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <se >>>>>>> > > > > > > > ba.wag...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> I'm using Safari 13 and it doesn't work. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> And I think I'm not alone. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> Thanks >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> Seb >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> < >>>>>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968 >>>>>>> > > > > > > > -af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> < >>>>>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02 >>>>>>> > > > > > > > -9faf-099038475e36/public_url> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 17:34, Maxim Solodovnik >>>>>>> <soloma >>>>>>> > > > > > > > x...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> Hello Sebastian, All, >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> I just was able to get real iMac to test >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> It has Safari 11 (and I have no rights to update >>>>>>> it) >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> Everything works as expected >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> I have tested demo-next as-is >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> My steps were >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> 1) on Safari enter restricted room >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> 2) start Audio only broadcasting >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> Result: green sound bar is jumping >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> 3) enter same room Ubuntu 20.04+Chromium latest >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> Result: I can hear the audio in the room >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> I will have access to the iMac for couple more >>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>> > > > > > > > please let me know >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> if I should do any additional tests >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 at 04:32, >>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com < >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> As reported in a few email discussions: Safari on >>>>>>> > > > > > > > iOS does not capture >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> audio. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> We could establish that playback is fine. But >>>>>>> > > > > > > > capturing audio does not >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> work. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> There are currently two tickets we have: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> - OPENMEETINGS-2277 - Fixing the capture of audio >>>>>>> > > > > > > > on Safari/iOS in >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> conference room (some other subject but we >>>>>>> > > > > > > > established that that's the >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> root >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> cause) >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> - OPENMEETINGS-2412 - Fixing the capture of audio >>>>>>> > > > > > > > on Safari/iOS in >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> setup >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> testing tool >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> There are various discussions where some think >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> > > > > > > > code change on our >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> end >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> would fix it. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> I am not sure about that. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> There seems to be even the official webRTC samples >>>>>>> > > > > > > > broken for >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Safari/iOS: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> See for example webRTC samples section: >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/getuser >>>>>>> > > > > > > > media/audio/ >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> => Works in Chrome/iOS >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> => Fails in Safari/iOS >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> I also started a discussion at discuss-webRTC : >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/discuss-webrtc/c/XBeiy3G >>>>>>> > > > > > > > pVLg/m/kbsCU25IBgAJ >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> In my opinion: Fixing this issue inside >>>>>>> OpenMeetings >>>>>>> > > > > > > > is rather complex. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> As >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> there is a lot of other code. So I would like to >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> > > > > > > > a simple minimal >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> code >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> example to start with. If that works fine, I'm >>>>>>> > > > > > > > convinced we can fix it >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> in >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> OpenMeetings too! >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Are there other opinions or ideas on how to >>>>>>> approach >>>>>>> > > > > > > > this ? >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> If there is no reply or not an answer on discuss- >>>>>>> > > > > > > > webRTC I would also >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> like >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> to interview people at Kurento mailing lists. >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Sebastian >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Sebastian Wagner >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/ >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> < >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-496 >>>>>>> > > > > > > > 8-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> < >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b0 >>>>>>> > > > > > > > 2-9faf-099038475e36/public_url >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> -- >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> Best regards, >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> Maxim >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >> >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > -- >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Best regards, >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > Maxim >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > -- >>>>>>> > > > > > > Best regards, >>>>>>> > > > > > > Maxim >>>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > -- >>>>>>> > > > > Best regards, >>>>>>> > > > > Maxim >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > Best regards, >>>>>>> > Maxim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Maxim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Maxim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Maxim >>>>> >>>>> > > -- > Best regards, > Maxim > -- Best regards, Maxim
