Maxim, last night, i tried on a latest iPhone and iPad, by giving Safari
explicit permission to operate the microphone without having to request
user permission. Still no spoken sound perceived.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 01:36 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Little update: I think this issue might be caused by the fact Apple don't
> let audio to play without explicit user permission/action
> I'm trying to create simple test for this (to find workaround)
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 23:27, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There is no sound from latest Mac + latest Safari (like microphone is
>> muted)
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 23:22, Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OM works fine on OSX (Macs), but doesn't on iOS (mobile and tabs)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/13/20 6:36 PM, Jason wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you need access to mine again?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, Oct 13, 2020 at 10:15 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Jason,
>>>
>>> I still have no access to any Mac, so no updates
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020 at 21:49, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any update on the iOS audio issue?
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:56 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The JIRA I have mentioned is about Network testing tool
>>>> Not audio ....
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 16:23, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can recheck but I was testing just 3 days ago and there was still no
>>>>> audio that you can record in Safari.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I can check that other parts are working better now or not
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me verify.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Seb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 20:19, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone check this JIRA
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-2371
>>>>>> using Safari?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 13:39, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...same result as Sebastian on both Safari versions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OSX 10.15.6
>>>>>>> Safari Version 13.1.2  (before update)
>>>>>>> Safari Version 14.0 (15610.1.28.1.9, 15610) (after update)
>>>>>>> iMac
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...if need any other test plaese say it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ....................
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El dom, 20-09-2020 a las 17:17 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not sure why should I visit webrtc.github.io ....
>>>>>>> => If the reference examples on the official
>>>>>>> https://github.com/webrtc are not working I see little chance that
>>>>>>> the issue is within the OpenMeetings code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In saying that - there might be still settings within the OM code
>>>>>>> relating to webRTC/Safari that may be worth looking into!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Seb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 16:11, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not sure why should I visit webrtc.github.io ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, you got valid stream on Safari
>>>>>>> But there is still no audio in the room
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll prepare another test
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 10:53, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> webRTC give some feedback but I think its still broken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can try yourself at:
>>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/src/content/peerconnection/audio/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you hit "call" and watch below, there is no KB/data being send.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also had a quick look in a OM conference room and the OM device
>>>>>>> settings testing app: The green dot doesn't do anything. There is no 
>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>> sound being sent to the server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 15:43, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Sebastian :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you have audio in the room working?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 10:41, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://om.alteametasoft.com/openmeetings/public/test-load.html
>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  https://om.alteametasoft.com/openmeetings/public/test-click.html
>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>> Safari Version 14.0 (15610.1.28.1.9, 15610)
>>>>>>> MacBookPro OSX 10.15.6
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 15:24, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Safari owners,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have Safari 13 and (since today) Safari 14
>>>>>>> Can you please do the following test:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> using your Safari 13/14
>>>>>>> 1) open
>>>>>>> https://om.alteametasoft.com/openmeetings/public/test-load.html
>>>>>>> 2) share results you can see on screen
>>>>>>> 3) close tab
>>>>>>> 4) open
>>>>>>> https://om.alteametasoft.com/openmeetings/public/test-click.html
>>>>>>> 5) Click the button with "Click me" label
>>>>>>> 6) share results you can see on screen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 22:43, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to Jason I can debug on his Mac and now I can see what is
>>>>>>> happening:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the very beginning
>>>>>>> Video track has readyState == "live"
>>>>>>> Audio track has readyState == "ended"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to MDN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - "ended" which indicates that the input is not giving any more
>>>>>>>    data and will never provide new data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far I have no idea why this happens
>>>>>>> I can guess this is sort of security restriction to not allow "evil
>>>>>>> hackers" to record your beautiful voice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will try to investigate more
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 at 19:35, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Jason,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was busy with day-time job and other issues
>>>>>>> Now I can investigate this one
>>>>>>> Will send you personal email :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 21:38, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With iPad/iPhone it doesn’t work with any browsers. If it was just
>>>>>>> as easy as use - a different browser than that would be ok.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, Sep 10, 2020 at 3:43 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sry I had no time to follow up with Apple/Webkit ticket to get their
>>>>>>> dev team to investigate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Although I think this is broken for any Web-Conferencing that uses
>>>>>>> Safari.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Seb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 06:27, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any update on this?  I have had to abandon using this until we users
>>>>>>> with iPad and iPhones can use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 7:31 PM, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Openmeetings 5.0 M4 I think.  I can try the WebRTC.  I did setup
>>>>>>> Maxim to have remote access to a current MacBook for testing that had 
>>>>>>> music
>>>>>>> playing and camera.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 5:13 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Are you using the official webRTC samples or OpenMeetings ?
>>>>>>> Or both ? :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think in order to submit a bug to Apple/webkit its best to point
>>>>>>> towards the official webRTC reference examples at:
>>>>>>> https://webrtc.github.io/samples/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Seb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 09:22, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have the same issue on iOS 14 beta.  I have tried on iPhone and
>>>>>>> iPad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, Aug 15, 2020 at 4:20 PM, seba.wag...@gmail.com <
>>>>>>> seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I was supposed to create a bug in the Apple bug at  bugs.webkit.org.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Apple were also asking me to:
>>>>>>>  - Try iOS 14 beta.
>>>>>>>  - Attach a sysdiagnose from the Mac to the bug report
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Seb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>>>> Director Arrakeen Solutions
>>>>>>> http://arrakeen-solutions.co.nz/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/da4e8828-743d-4968-af6f-49033f10d60a/public_url>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youracclaim.com/badges/b7e709c6-aa87-4b02-9faf-099038475e36/public_url>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 15:47, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure I can put music on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:11 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Jason,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, that would be awesome :)
>>>>>>> Does remote control for Mac allows to hear the sound? (overwise I
>>>>>>> can't test it ...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 22:18, Jason <ja...@romos.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can give you remote access to a Mac to test.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:48 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>>>>>>> solomax...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'll try to ask if any of my friends owns Mac with latest Safari
>>>>>>> maybe I can borrow Mac to debug ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 14:04, <seba.wag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing todo.
>>>>>>> I was just updating on what I found out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far the status is: confirming if issue is with Apple or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Seb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/08/2020, at 6:48 PM, Alvaro <zurca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Sebastian, i don't understand the means of your message.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If i can do something, please tell me clear what...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .................
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El lun, 10-08-2020 a las 15:18 +1200, seba.wag...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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