There was an Ubuntu phone before this one that hit the market? Which market? On Jul 23, 2013 11:36 AM, "Josh Leverette" <coder...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Verizon does want in, but on phones they can control. This won't be the > first or the last Ubuntu phone to hit market, by any means. > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joey Carlini <moocow1...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Wait, why would Verizon be on the advisory board for Ubuntu Touch, if >> they want nothing to do with above? >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> i knew they were bad, but didn't know they were bad. >>> >>> AT&T's and other GSM carriers maps does show our house as having medium >>> signal but my Sister on T mobile can barely make a call without dropping >>> it. I would like to find someone with AT&T to test it. But I don't know of >>> any. >>> >>> Plus I am "grandfathered into unlimited data” and I tether quite a bit. >>> So Any other carrier has to have unlimited at a decent price. Say less than >>> 80 a month for data. >>> >>> I have barely made it out of contract with this Motor Droid 2 (3rd >>> replacement) , hence why I and searching hard for a solid device. I can >>> make a case for the Edge no big deal. >>> >>> >>> Josh Leverette <coder...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hmm. Ok. I use Verizon too, but I would switch to Straight Talk (uses >>>> AT&T's network) for this phone. Here's why this phone cannot possibly come >>>> to Verizon. >>>> >>>> With CDMA networks, the carrier has complete control over every phone >>>> that tries to connect to the network. They check the device ID and decide >>>> whether it is authorized to connect, then they compare the device ID to the >>>> service plan you've selected and decide whether your service plan allows >>>> that phone to be used. They claim that this is all for "quality control", >>>> and that's the reasoning they'll stick to. The reality for end users is >>>> that any phone they want to use on that network has to go through months of >>>> *very *expensive testing in the carrier's own labs and field >>>> personnel. With a GSM network like Straight Talk, you pop your SIM card in >>>> and go. Canonical would have to ship several Ubuntu Edge phones to Verizon, >>>> and then Verizon would have to eventually decide that they approve it. But >>>> wait, what if someone uses Sprint? or one of Japan's CDMA networks? They >>>> have to send handsets to each of these to each one to approve the phone for >>>> their network. So, for a 40,000 phone production run, they've just sent off >>>> between 10 and 100 of the devices to carriers *just for the chance* of >>>> being accepted. Oh, and since we're now making CDMA and GSM phones, the >>>> production costs are significantly higher now that we're no longer >>>> producing 40,000 of one design. We're now making 35,000 of one and *only >>>> 5,000* of the other. A 5,000 device run would not be affordable. >>>> >>>> As you said, what if we made it a GSM/CDMA combo phone? well, that >>>> means that the majority of your customers now pay for a CDMA antenna that >>>> they're never going to use. But, it also wouldn't be pioneering anything. >>>> The Motorola Razr M is a CDMA/GSM combo device with 4G LTE. You still >>>> wouldn't be able to jump to any carrier you can imagine, because of how >>>> restrictive CDMA networks are. >>>> >>>> Furthermore, Verizon (and any other CDMA carrier) would want *full* control >>>> of the phone. This is how they screwed the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon (the >>>> phone I currently have). My GNex is months behind the GSM GNex phones in >>>> terms of updates, because Verizon took over that, which went against >>>> everything Google and Verizon agreed to. Verizon also installed bloatware >>>> on the CDMA GNex. They made a pure phone like a Nexus device into a very >>>> dirty device. Canonical would have to give up everything that is noble >>>> about this campaign to get Verizon to let those phones to connect to their >>>> network. >>>> >>>> It cannot happen, and it will not happen. Verizon has great >>>> infrastructure, but their customer experience has been very unsatisfactory >>>> for me. >>>> >>>> Do no GSM carriers service your area? AT&T has really redoubled their >>>> infrastructure efforts over the last couple of years, from what I've seen. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Agreed. And here in USA the "Modern American Mentality” has taken over >>>>> and people don't realized that high quality products come at a price. They >>>>> are used to 2 year contracts that get them "latest hardware” at 200 to >>>>> 300. >>>>> But this device being 3 times the power and quality, but not 3 times the >>>>> price goes over Kant's heads. >>>>> >>>>> I am very low income, but I can save up $830 in 3 to 4 weeks. But >>>>> again, I NEED Verizon because I, as many others also, live in a rural >>>>> area. >>>>> Eventually we will have LTE, but not for 2 to 4 years. >>>>> >>>>> Since these won't be manufactured till months after the fund ends. >>>>> Requesting 1 or 2 thousand CDMA should be that hard. Or since this is >>>>> flagged as a "Open Device ” why not pioneer the first LTE capable Combo >>>>> phone? CDMA+GSM. Only using the one you need. So later if you wish you can >>>>> jump to any carrier you can imagine. Making it Truly Open. >>>>> >>>>> Just some thoughts. God Bless >>>>> >>>>> Josh Leverette <coder...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Stores and resellers were not purchasing from indiegogo yesterday. >>>>>> There might have been one or two, but that's simply not what happened. >>>>>> This >>>>>> whole campaign is all about individuals buying these phones. I don't want >>>>>> to see this campaign fail anymore than you do. People will either buy >>>>>> them >>>>>> at $830, or they won't. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Omar B. <estela...@hotmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >So implementing possibilities to "buy" a smartphone with less specs >>>>>>> >isn't >>>>>>> compatible with the goal of this campaign. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A little less specs Not being compatible is your opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only fact I see is that they set a goal and would much prefer for >>>>>>> it to be be reached. Am sure they have months or years planning it and >>>>>>> waiting for the right moment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not so positive if the campaign gets stuck at like 10 or 13 >>>>>>> million, there's not much impact about that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even with less specs the phone will be a top tier phone. But what >>>>>>> really makes the phone is not the hardware, but the software >>>>>>> combination and possibilities. So it will still do things that many >>>>>>> others wont. Getting ubuntu to more users and developers hands has >>>>>>> always been a primary goal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway many resellers got into the 600 promo, but that is over. There's >>>>>>> no deal or perk for them anymore, so they left. For Stores and >>>>>>> resellers, 40k limited time phones is not that much if you got them, >>>>>>> but they don't want to pay full price, because they need to make some >>>>>>> returns, so they need now perks that give them discounts for a higher >>>>>>> quantity purchase. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Josh >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Sincerely, > Josh > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >
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