There was an Ubuntu phone before this one that hit the market? Which market?
On Jul 23, 2013 11:36 AM, "Josh Leverette" <coder...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Verizon does want in, but on phones they can control. This won't be the
> first or the last Ubuntu phone to hit market, by any means.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Joey Carlini <moocow1...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Wait, why would Verizon be on the advisory board for Ubuntu Touch, if
>> they want nothing to do with above?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> i knew they were bad, but didn't know they were bad.
>>>
>>> AT&T's and other GSM carriers maps does show our house as having medium
>>> signal but my Sister on T mobile can barely make a call without dropping
>>> it. I would like to find someone with AT&T to test it. But I don't know of
>>> any.
>>>
>>> Plus I am "grandfathered into unlimited data” and I tether quite a bit.
>>> So Any other carrier has to have unlimited at a decent price. Say less than
>>> 80 a month for data.
>>>
>>> I have barely made it out of contract with this Motor Droid 2 (3rd
>>> replacement) , hence why I and searching hard for a solid device. I can
>>> make a case for the Edge no big deal.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Leverette <coder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. Ok. I use Verizon too, but I would switch to Straight Talk (uses
>>>> AT&T's network) for this phone. Here's why this phone cannot possibly come
>>>> to Verizon.
>>>>
>>>> With CDMA networks, the carrier has complete control over every phone
>>>> that tries to connect to the network. They check the device ID and decide
>>>> whether it is authorized to connect, then they compare the device ID to the
>>>> service plan you've selected and decide whether your service plan allows
>>>> that phone to be used. They claim that this is all for "quality control",
>>>> and that's the reasoning they'll stick to. The reality for end users is
>>>> that any phone they want to use on that network has to go through months of
>>>> *very *expensive testing in the carrier's own labs and field
>>>> personnel. With a GSM network like Straight Talk, you pop your SIM card in
>>>> and go. Canonical would have to ship several Ubuntu Edge phones to Verizon,
>>>> and then Verizon would have to eventually decide that they approve it. But
>>>> wait, what if someone uses Sprint? or one of Japan's CDMA networks? They
>>>> have to send handsets to each of these to each one to approve the phone for
>>>> their network. So, for a 40,000 phone production run, they've just sent off
>>>> between 10 and 100 of the devices to carriers *just for the chance* of
>>>> being accepted. Oh, and since we're now making CDMA and GSM phones, the
>>>> production costs are significantly higher now that we're no longer
>>>> producing 40,000 of one design. We're now making 35,000 of one and *only
>>>> 5,000* of the other. A 5,000 device run would not be affordable.
>>>>
>>>> As you said, what if we made it a GSM/CDMA combo phone? well, that
>>>> means that the majority of your customers now pay for a CDMA antenna that
>>>> they're never going to use. But, it also wouldn't be pioneering anything.
>>>> The Motorola Razr M is a CDMA/GSM combo device with 4G LTE. You still
>>>> wouldn't be able to jump to any carrier you can imagine, because of how
>>>> restrictive CDMA networks are.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, Verizon (and any other CDMA carrier) would want *full* control
>>>> of the phone. This is how they screwed the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon (the
>>>> phone I currently have). My GNex is months behind the GSM GNex phones in
>>>> terms of updates, because Verizon took over that, which went against
>>>> everything Google and Verizon agreed to. Verizon also installed bloatware
>>>> on the CDMA GNex. They made a pure phone like a Nexus device into a very
>>>> dirty device. Canonical would have to give up everything that is noble
>>>> about this campaign to get Verizon to let those phones to connect to their
>>>> network.
>>>>
>>>> It cannot happen, and it will not happen. Verizon has great
>>>> infrastructure, but their customer experience has been very unsatisfactory
>>>> for me.
>>>>
>>>> Do no GSM carriers service your area? AT&T has really redoubled their
>>>> infrastructure efforts over the last couple of years, from what I've seen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Daniel Clem <clem11...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. And here in USA the "Modern American Mentality” has taken over
>>>>> and people don't realized that high quality products come at a price. They
>>>>> are used to 2 year contracts that get them "latest hardware” at 200 to 
>>>>> 300.
>>>>> But this device being 3 times the power and quality, but not 3 times the
>>>>> price goes over Kant's heads.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very low income, but I can save up $830 in 3 to 4 weeks. But
>>>>> again, I NEED Verizon because I, as many others also, live in a rural 
>>>>> area.
>>>>> Eventually we will have LTE, but not for 2 to 4 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since these won't be manufactured till months after the fund ends.
>>>>> Requesting 1 or 2 thousand CDMA should be that hard. Or since this is
>>>>> flagged as a "Open Device ” why not pioneer the first LTE capable Combo
>>>>> phone? CDMA+GSM. Only using the one you need. So later if you wish you can
>>>>> jump to any carrier you can imagine. Making it Truly Open.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just some thoughts. God Bless
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Leverette <coder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stores and resellers were not purchasing from indiegogo yesterday.
>>>>>> There might have been one or two, but that's simply not what happened. 
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> whole campaign is all about individuals buying these phones. I don't want
>>>>>> to see this campaign fail anymore than you do. People will either buy 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> at $830, or they won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Omar B. <estela...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >So implementing possibilities to "buy" a smartphone with less specs 
>>>>>>> >isn't
>>>>>>> compatible with the goal of this campaign.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A little less specs Not being compatible is your opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only fact I see is that they set a goal and would much prefer for 
>>>>>>> it to be be reached. Am sure they have months or years planning it and 
>>>>>>> waiting for the right moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not so positive if the campaign gets stuck at like 10 or 13 
>>>>>>> million, there's not much impact about that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even with less specs the phone will be a top tier phone. But what 
>>>>>>> really makes the phone is not the hardware, but the software 
>>>>>>> combination and possibilities. So it will still do things that many 
>>>>>>> others wont. Getting ubuntu to more users and developers hands has 
>>>>>>> always been a primary goal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway many resellers got into the 600 promo, but that is over. There's 
>>>>>>> no deal or perk for them anymore, so they left. For Stores and 
>>>>>>> resellers, 40k limited time phones is not that much if you got them, 
>>>>>>> but they don't want to pay full price, because they need to make some 
>>>>>>> returns, so they need now perks that give them discounts for a higher 
>>>>>>> quantity purchase.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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