On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 08:30:45AM -0400, Sean Turner wrote:

> The TLS list is infamous in that it is regarded by some as [insert
> your descriptive word; where the chairs have heard the following words
> used: noxious, toxic, unwelcoming, and rude]. The chairs want to
> change this reputation and we hope you do too. A big part of this is
> on the chairs to be be more proactive about moderating behavior that
> goes against IETF WG procedures, code of conduct, etc. The chairs are
> also going to send a monthly reminder, which is included below, that
> will serve to remind everyone from those who joined just today to
> those who joined many, many years ago of the policies and procedures
> that apply to IETF mailing lists.

One of the ways in which this WG is sometimes unwelcoming is not covered
by the called out unprofessional behaviour.  Rather, this list at times
appears to be dominated by a single browser-centric world-view, and a
dominant set of entrenched participants.  Perspectives from less
dominant sectors of the TLS user community may not always receive due
consideration.

I did not see being open to a broader set of perspectives on the list of
goals.  It was just the usual set of blatant violations of social norms.

--  
    Viktor.

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