Agreed Eleanor.
Maurice Press -----Original Message----- From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke Sent: 19 March 2012 10:00 To: Talks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone) I would have been writing what you write up to every release of Talks until now but it is not acceptable to have a bug where there was no bug before on the Facebook and Twitter. Now surely at least that should have been fixed immediately. Then I am happy to wait again for the next release. Maybe there is an adjustment within the Talks settings that can get rid of this problem. Let me give you an example. I use y-browser and I found that when I went in using y-browser to Data folder to look at all my ring tones, it was very difficult to hear the names as there was so much chatter from Talks. I raised this issue on list and Stephen Gigger was able to tell me how to cut down on all that chatter and now all is well. I am therefore saying maybe there is some adjustment we need to make in relation to Facebook and Twitter and all will be well. ----- Original Message ----- From: <sascha.panev...@gmx.de> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone) > Hi, > Guys, I can't understand you. > You say that nuance isn't interested in talks anymore? > Then there is > a question. if they really are not interested, why they release new > versions of it? > Yes, they don't do it that regular, but they do. > And every update contains improved features and fixed bugs. > I understand when > you wish all programs were > accessible, but they can't do so much at the same time. > Sorry > for > my english. > I hope > you understood me. > Sascha -- > -Ursprüngl. Mitteilung--- > Von: m...@chopra.us > Gesendet: 19.03.2012, 06:23 > An: Talks Mailing List > Betreff: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > > Exactly my point. I had put out an email a couple of weeks ago. Nuance > is just not interested in Talks any more. > > -original message- > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > From: "Kit" <goldeneagl...@gmail.com> > Date: 19/03/2012 5:46 AM > > It's amazing the testers, either Alpha or Omega or Beta missed this > bug on FB and Twitter. It's so commonly used by so many people in the > world and also always ask on accessibility in Talks list. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorbu...@btinternet.com> > To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > > Fair points, but I mean the Testers must be reading our mails too and > surely they must be finding the same issues as ourselves so I am > wondering why they are not reporting back to the Developers. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com> > To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > >> Ah, well, I have done some beta testing, although never for talks, >> and you have to sign agreements about not disclosing various things, >> which can depend on the software in question. It always says you >> won't share features of upcoming versions you are testing, though, >> whichever company. >> >> Also, the hassle some of them on here would get from people trying to >> weedle information out of them would be horrific, if they disclosed >> that they were testers, I should imagine. >> >> Fi >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com >> [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] >> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >> Sent: 18 March 2012 23:10 >> To: Talks Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> >> Or if not developers, maybe even Testers, though I do not think the >> Testers openly say who they are either. >> >> Eleanor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:53 PM >> Subject: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> >> >>> Exactly, this silence is really frustrating. >>> >>> Developers, are you there? >>> >>> Fi >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com >>> [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] >>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>> Sent: 18 March 2012 22:15 >>> To: Talks Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>> >>> Well said Fi but I must just make another point about the e-mail and >>> Talks and indeed I raised this within a few days of latest release >>> of Talks but it was met with a wall of silence. When we want to >>> read an e-mail we have all this additional information that we do >>> not want, the number of frames the first frame being untitled and >>> consisting of 2 colms, when the first frame finishes and when the >>> second frame starts. Not only that, it is 50 50 if Talks even picks >>> up the e-mail on first go, I am often treated to Browser Browser >>> Browser and have to repeat the Talks and arrow down yet again. >>> >>> Eleanor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com> >>> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>> >>> >>>> I agree totally, especially about E-mail and the FaceBook and >>>> Twitter jabbering while you're inputting text issue, which is >>>> really annoying!!! >>>> It's far easier for me to use my Android, iPhone or even ... um ... >>>> Mobile >>>> speak on faceBook! Yes, it doesn't do some other stuff that the >>>> very latest Talks does, but they haven't broken edit boxes on >>>> social networking sites up till now. Why should these be broken >>>> when they were fine before? >>>> I have only upgraded Talks, not my firmware or anything lately. I'm >>>> not sure if I should upgrade to the new versions of software >>>> available, either. Will facebook and Twitter edit boxes still be >>>> broken, even after that? Will my E-mail be even worse? We don't >>>> seem to get answers to such questions from developers the way they >>>> do on the Android list ... and most of the Android screen readers >>>> are free! So we've kept on and on paying for Talks and can't access >>>> E-mail very well, and the Ovi Store isn't even a joke! It's worse! >>>> As far as I know, there hasn't really been any explanation about >>>> why this doesn't work well, but the same applies with Mobile Speak >>>> there. Code factory did, at least make older phones read E-mail >>>> better, though. Having to arrow down to read the body of an E-mail >>>> really is primitive! >>>> >>>> I tend to do most of my mailing on my HTC or iPhone for that reason >>>> these days. >>>> >>>> I love the design of Nokia phones, and the Vocaliser voices used >>>> with talks, but, if you want to keep us on side, at least give us >>>> some reasons why this stuff doesn't work well in Symbian, when it >>>> does on other platforms, please! >>>> >>>> Thank you for reading this. These are thoughts I have had for a >>>> number of months now, not just something I thought of today. I've >>>> already pretty much decided my next new phone ... and I like new >>>> phones ... often ... >>>> will almost certainly not b a Nokia on Symbian, with its >>>> inaccessible Ovi Store, most apps and half-baked e-mail access. >>>> >>>> If people think I'm being harsh, I'm sorry. However, I say all this >>>> after using all three platforms, so I do know what I am comparing. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Fi >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com >>>> [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>>> Sent: 18 March 2012 21:39 >>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>> >>>> Christopher I am very pleased to read what you write below re Talks >>>> and iPhone. I am aware of more and more blind people making the >>>> move over to iPhone and I am thinking seriously about it for my >>>> necxt phone, however, I have been a Talks user for 4 years now and >>>> my appeal here is to the Talks developers not to let the iPhone and >>>> Android take over the market of screen readers for the blind. My >>>> Symbian S60 has met all my needs up to >>>> 2011 but Talks is not meeting my needs at present. What then are my >>>> problems? >>>> >>>> 1. E-mail accessability is not what it was. I cannot seem to find a >>>> way on my E6 to save a new e-mail address. >>>> 2. As pointed out by another list member, over a week ago, the Edit >>>> boxes in Twitter and Facebook have Talks continually saying edit >>>> box while one is writing. Yet this has only become an issue with >>>> Talks released in February 2012. What surprises me is that such an >>>> issue is not known at release time. Surely the developers run >>>> through e-mail, internet and social network sites prior to release. >>>> 3. Despite all I said over months about the work around on E6 to >>>> start writing in a word document. My comments were not listened to. >>>> >>>> Finally Talks developers, I love Talks and do not want to stop >>>> using this excellent and reasonably priced software, but if my >>>> comments and those of other users fall on deaf ears, then we may be >>>> forced to go out and purchase an alternative mobile device than the >>>> symbian S60 one. >>>> -----Original message----- >>>> From: Christopher Chaltain >>>> Sent: 18/03/2012, 3:28 pm >>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>> Subject: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, after being a happy Symbian and Talks user for almost exactly >>>> 9 years, I finally decided to get a new smart phone, and this time >>>> I went with an iPhone. Not that why I did so is important to >>>> anyone, but I'll include some of my thoughts below, as well as how >>>> much I appreciate Talks and the Symbian platform. >>>> >>>> I started using Talks while it was still in beta back at the end of >>>> 2002. >>>> I got a Nokia 9290 communicator, and I think this, in conjunction >>>> with Talks, was the first fully accessible smart phone available to >>>> the blind. >>>> I've had 2 Symbian phones since then, the Nokia N75 and the AT&T >>>> Nokia E71X. Each phone had it's strengths and weaknesses, but in >>>> general, I've never been disappointed with Symbian or Talks. >>>> >>>> My decision to go with an iPhone was a tough one, although that was >>>> as much philosophical as anything else. I type on my E71X much less >>>> than I used to, so the thought of going with a touch only device >>>> became less of a concern for me. I was kind of waiting for the >>>> Droid 4 (which will have a keyboard), but I wasn't sure when or if >>>> AT&T would ever carry the Droid 4, and after reading multiple >>>> reviews of Android and Ice Cream Sandwich, it seemed like I'd be >>>> waiting quite a while for Android to catch up with the iPhone with >>>> respect to accessibility. >>>> >>>> The closed nature of the iPhone also concerned me when comparing it >>>> to an Android, or even a Symbian, phone, but I use the cloud more >>>> and more, and I eventually decided that I could leverage the cloud >>>> enough to minimize my need to use Windows or iTunes. >>>> >>>> I also started finding myself needing an IOS or Android device for >>>> work and wanting one for personal use, e.g. the apps I needed for >>>> work or wanted to use personally were only available on the IOS or >>>> Android platforms. Although there isn't anything wrong with my >>>> E71X, it is starting to show it's age, and once I decided Android >>>> would be playing catch up with the iPhone with respect to >>>> accessibility for quite some time to come, even given Ice Cream >>>> Sandwich. I decided there was no longer any reason to wait. >>>> >>>> I just want to say that I never slammed the iPhone, so I don't >>>> think I'm being hypocritical at all. I still feel the Symbian >>>> device and Talks are perfectly adequate solutions for the right >>>> situation, and I don't think anyone needs to feel like they're >>>> being left behind if they choose to continue to use a Symbian >>>> device for another handset or two. It's all about what you want and >>>> what gets the job done. >>>> >>>> I just want to conclude by letting the Talks developers and this >>>> list know how much I appreciated the technological advances made by >>>> the Talks developers. They were truly visionaries. I also want this >>>> list to know how much I appreciated the support I got from this >>>> list and it's members. >>>> I'm >>>> convinced that without Symbian, Talks and this list, I would not >>>> have been a satisfied blind smart phone user these past nine years. >>>> >>>> I'll hang out on this list for a bit, and I'm sure I'll see some of >>>> you on more generic lists, but eventually I'll have to unsubscribe >>>> from this list, unless of course, I can't stand the iPhone and come >>>> back to Talks! >>>> Wow, this all seems a bit melodramatic, but Talks and this list >>>> have actually been a big part of my life for most of a decade, so I >>>> hope y'all will forgive my drama! 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