Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone)

Eleanor Burke Mon, 19 Mar 2012 22:11:41 -0700

I agree. Just had a frustrating time with C5.00 bought in UK. I tried aGoogle search and in the Edit Text Box, Talks does not even echo thecharacters being written. Is that bad *smile*. Even if I am texting andusing a word not in dictionary because of using predictive text, I have theoption to input the word in standard text but again Talks is not echoingwhat I am writing!!! As for Twitter and Facebook, I can report that thesame problem of chatter while one is trying to use text box happens on C5.I have already mentioned it happening on E5 and E6. Someone suggested Imight try other phones so I now add C5 to my list. I am running latestversion of Talks on these phones and firmware is up to date on all.


Eleanor

----- Original Message -----From: "Kit" <goldeneagl...@gmail.com>

To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone)

I will just say those testers for Talks are using all old phones or thenext

nearest is they don twit or fb at all cause to busy! ROFL!

----- Original Message -----From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorbu...@btinternet.com>

To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 1:37 AM

Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought aniPhone)

I agree Fi and Talks is a business and not a charity concern.Furthermore,

if one is writing an important letter for example, one will proof read it
prior to sending.  Now surely it would be possible for someone to run

through Talks new release the day before, or even 2 people just to makesure

all is well at least with what worked in the past.

----- Original Message -----From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com>

To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought aniPhone)

tHAT's exactly what has happened with the social network thing. it has
broke n something that worked before.

As for gratitude, that only goes so far for so long, when you pay for the
product in question. It's far cheaper than some PC screen readers, but
seems expensive when compared with Talkback and Spiel for Android, which
are free.

I do realise, however, that they are not as mature as Talks, but we've
always paid and paid for it repeatedly when new phones came along.

Please don't think I'm rubbishing Talks, it's served me well for many
years, and continues to do so on some of my phones.

Fi

Sent from my iPhone

On 19 Mar 2012, at 13:32, "Dennis Long" <dennisl1...@gmail.com> wrote:

What everyone is forgetting is it isn't always easy to track down bugs
and
it wouldn't be effective to put out a update just for facebook and
twitter.

If you don't like the new version then downgrade to the one before itand

wait for the new version.  I'm sure the dealers have passed on the
feedback.
Are you all forgetting that without talks we wouldn't have had
accessibility

for all these years lets be patient. If an update is rushed out thenyouwould be complaining if it broke something that worked. Talks hasalways

been about stability so relax people there are alternatives.
----- Original Message -----
From: <m...@chopra.us>
To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an
iPhone)

Exactly my point. I had put out an email a couple of weeks ago. Nuance
is
just not interested in Talks any more.

-original message-
Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an
iPhone)
From: "Kit" <goldeneagl...@gmail.com>
Date: 19/03/2012 5:46 AM

It's amazing the testers, either Alpha or Omega or Beta missed this bug
on

FB and Twitter. It's so commonly used by so many people in the worldand

also always ask on accessibility in Talks list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorbu...@btinternet.com>
To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an
iPhone)


Fair points, but I mean the Testers must be reading our mails too and
surely
they must be finding the same issues as ourselves so I am wondering why
they
are not reporting back to the Developers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com>
To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an
iPhone)

Ah, well, I have done some beta testing, although never for talks, and
you
have to sign agreements about not disclosing various things, which can
depend on the software in question. It always says you won't share
features of upcoming versions you are testing, though, whichever
company.

Also, the hassle some of them on here would get from people trying to
weedle information out of them would be horrific, if they disclosed
that
they were testers, I should imagine.

Fi

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com
[mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 18 March 2012 23:10
To: Talks Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an
iPhone)

Or if not developers, maybe even Testers, though I do not think the
Testers openly say who they are either.

Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com>
To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:53 PM
Subject: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an
iPhone)

Exactly, this silence is really frustrating.

Developers, are you there?

Fi

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com
[mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 18 March 2012 22:15
To: Talks Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone

Well said Fi but I must just make another point about the e-mail and
Talks
and indeed I raised this within a few days of latest release of Talks
but
it was met with a wall of silence.  When we want to read an e-mail we
have
all this additional information that we do not want, the number of
frames
the first frame being untitled and consisting of 2 colms, when the
first

frame finishes and when the second frame starts. Not only that, itis

50
50 if Talks even picks up the e-mail on first go, I am often treated
to
Browser Browser Browser and have to repeat the Talks and arrow down
yet
again.

Eleanor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com>
To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone

I agree totally, especially about E-mail and the FaceBook andTwitter

jabbering while you're inputting text issue, which is really
annoying!!!
It's far easier for me to use my Android, iPhone or even ... um ...
Mobile
speak on faceBook! Yes, it doesn't do some other stuff that the very
latest Talks does, but they haven't broken edit boxes on social
networking
sites up till now. Why should these be broken when they were fine
before?
I have only upgraded Talks, not my firmware or anything lately. I'm
not
sure if I should upgrade to the new versions of software available,
either. Will facebook and Twitter edit boxes still be broken, even
after
that? Will my E-mail be even worse? We don't seem to get answers to
such

questions from developers the way they do on the Android list ...and

most
of the Android screen readers are free! So we've kept on and on
paying
for

Talks and can't access E-mail very well, and the Ovi Store isn'teven

a
joke! It's worse! As far as I know, there hasn't really been any
explanation about why this doesn't work well, but the same applies
with

Mobile Speak there. Code factory did, at least make older phonesread

E-mail better, though. Having to arrow down to read the body of an
E-mail
really is primitive!

I tend to do most of my mailing on my HTC or iPhone for that reason
these
days.

I love the design of Nokia phones, and the Vocaliser voices usedwith

talks, but, if you want to keep us on side, at least give us some
reasons
why this stuff doesn't work well in Symbian, when it does on other
platforms, please!

Thank you for reading this. These are thoughts I have had for a
number
of
months now, not just something I thought of today. I've already
pretty
much decided my next new phone ... and I like new phones ... often
...

will almost certainly not b a Nokia on Symbian, with itsinaccessible

Ovi
Store, most apps and half-baked e-mail access.

If people think I'm being harsh, I'm sorry. However, I say all this
after
using all three platforms, so I do know what I am comparing.

Thanks.

Fi

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com
[mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com]
On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke
Sent: 18 March 2012 21:39
To: Talks Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone

Christopher I am very pleased to read what you write below re Talks
and

iPhone. I am aware of more and more blind people making the moveover

to
iPhone and I am thinking seriously about it for my necxt phone,
however,
I
have been a Talks user for 4 years now and my appeal here is to the
Talks
developers not to let the iPhone and Android take over the market of
screen readers for the blind. My Symbian S60 has met all my needs up
to
2011 but Talks is not meeting my needs at present. What then are my
problems?

1. E-mail accessability is not what it was. I cannot seem to find a
way
on
my E6 to save a new e-mail address.
2. As pointed out by another list member, over a week ago, the Edit
boxes
in Twitter and Facebook have Talks continually saying edit box while
one
is writing. Yet this has only become an issue with Talks released in
February 2012. What surprises me is that such an issue is not known
at
release time. Surely the developers run through e-mail, internet and
social network sites prior to release.
3. Despite all I said over months about the work around on E6 to
start
writing in a word document. My comments were not listened to.

Finally Talks developers, I love Talks and do not want to stop using
this
excellent and reasonably priced software, but if my comments and
those
of
other users fall on deaf ears, then we may be forced to go out and
purchase an alternative mobile device than the symbian S60 one.
-----Original message-----
From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent:  18/03/2012, 3:28  pm
To: Talks Mailing List
Subject: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone

Well, after being a happy Symbian and Talks user for almost exactly9

years, I finally decided to get a new smart phone, and this time I
went
with an iPhone. Not that why I did so is important to anyone, but
I'll
include some of my thoughts below, as well as how much I appreciate
Talks
and the Symbian platform.

I started using Talks while it was still in beta back at the end of
2002.
I got a Nokia 9290 communicator, and I think this, in conjunction
with
Talks, was the first fully accessible smart phone available to the
blind.
I've had 2 Symbian phones since then, the Nokia N75 and the AT&T
Nokia
E71X. Each phone had it's strengths and weaknesses, but in general,
I've
never been disappointed with Symbian or Talks.

My decision to go with an iPhone was a tough one, although that was
as

much philosophical as anything else. I type on my E71X much lessthan

used to, so the thought of going with a touch only device becameless

of
a
concern for me. I was kind of waiting for the Droid 4 (which will
have
a
keyboard), but I wasn't sure when or if AT&T would ever carry the
Droid
4,

and after reading multiple reviews of Android and Ice CreamSandwich,

it

seemed like I'd be waiting quite a while for Android to catch upwith

the
iPhone with respect to accessibility.

The closed nature of the iPhone also concerned me when comparing it
to
an

Android, or even a Symbian, phone, but I use the cloud more andmore,

and
I eventually decided that I could leverage the cloud enough to
minimize
my
need to use Windows or iTunes.

I also started finding myself needing an IOS or Android device for
work
and wanting one for personal use, e.g. the apps I needed for work or
wanted to use personally were only available on the IOS or Android
platforms. Although there isn't anything wrong with my E71X, it is
starting to show it's age, and once I decided Android would be
playing

catch up with the iPhone with respect to accessibility for quitesome

time

to come, even given Ice Cream Sandwich. I decided there was nolonger

any
reason to wait.

I just want to say that I never slammed the iPhone, so I don't think
I'm
being hypocritical at all. I still feel the Symbian device and Talks
are
perfectly adequate solutions for the right situation, and I don't
think

anyone needs to feel like they're being left behind if they choosetocontinue to use a Symbian device for another handset or two. It'sall

about what you want and what gets the job done.

I just want to conclude by letting the Talks developers and thislist

know
how much I appreciated the technological advances made by the Talks
developers. They were truly visionaries. I also want this list to
know
how

much I appreciated the support I got from this list and it'smembers.

I'm

convinced that without Symbian, Talks and this list, I would nothave

been
a satisfied blind smart phone user these past nine years.

I'll hang out on this list for a bit, and I'm sure I'll see some of
you
on

more generic lists, but eventually I'll have to unsubscribe fromthis

list, unless of course, I can't stand the iPhone and come back to
Talks!
Wow, this all seems a bit melodramatic, but Talks and this list have
actually been a big part of my life for most of a decade, so I hope
y'all
will forgive my drama! Good luck everyone in that quest for the
perfect
smart phone for your own situation!

--
Christopher (CJ)
chalt...@gmail.com
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