Try it on somethin like the n 95 as well. Dennis long Sent from my n95 using a symbion screen reader
-original message- Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone) From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorbu...@btinternet.com> Date: 03/19/2012 7:46 AM It hapens on 2 of my phones and I will try another model. It has the problem on E5 and E6. Will try E71. The N95 which I also have is brilliant indeed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis long " <dennisl1...@gmail.com> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an iPhone) > With my n95 i dont have this bug. It may be phone specific so it may not > ben easily found. > > Dennis long > Sent from my n95 using a symbion screen reader > > -original message- > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > From: "Maurice Press" <mauricepr...@enterprise.net> > Date: 03/19/2012 6:27 AM > > Agreed Eleanor. > > > > > Maurice Press > > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] > On > Behalf Of Eleanor Burke > Sent: 19 March 2012 10:00 > To: Talks Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > I would have been writing what you write up to every release of Talks > until > now but it is not acceptable to have a bug where there was no bug before > on > the Facebook and Twitter. Now surely at least that should have been fixed > immediately. Then I am happy to wait again for the next release. Maybe > there is an adjustment within the Talks settings that can get rid of this > problem. Let me give you an example. I use y-browser and I found that > when > I went in using y-browser to Data folder to look at all my ring tones, it > was very difficult to hear the names as there was so much chatter from > Talks. I raised this issue on list and Stephen Gigger was able to tell me > how to cut down on all that chatter and now all is well. I am therefore > saying maybe there is some adjustment we need to make in relation to > Facebook and Twitter and all will be well. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sascha.panev...@gmx.de> > To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:34 AM > Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an > iPhone) > > >> Hi, >> Guys, I can't understand you. >> You say that nuance isn't interested in talks anymore? >> Then there is >> a question. if they really are not interested, why they release new >> versions of it? >> Yes, they don't do it that regular, but they do. >> And every update contains improved features and fixed bugs. >> I understand when >> you wish all programs were >> accessible, but they can't do so much at the same time. >> Sorry >> for >> my english. >> I hope >> you understood me. >> Sascha -- >> -Ursprüngl. Mitteilung--- >> Von: m...@chopra.us >> Gesendet: 19.03.2012, 06:23 >> An: Talks Mailing List >> Betreff: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> >> >> Exactly my point. I had put out an email a couple of weeks ago. Nuance >> is just not interested in Talks any more. >> >> -original message- >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> From: "Kit" <goldeneagl...@gmail.com> >> Date: 19/03/2012 5:46 AM >> >> It's amazing the testers, either Alpha or Omega or Beta missed this >> bug on FB and Twitter. It's so commonly used by so many people in the >> world and also always ask on accessibility in Talks list. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorbu...@btinternet.com> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> >> >> Fair points, but I mean the Testers must be reading our mails too and >> surely they must be finding the same issues as ourselves so I am >> wondering why they are not reporting back to the Developers. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >> iPhone) >> >> >>> Ah, well, I have done some beta testing, although never for talks, >>> and you have to sign agreements about not disclosing various things, >>> which can depend on the software in question. It always says you >>> won't share features of upcoming versions you are testing, though, >>> whichever company. >>> >>> Also, the hassle some of them on here would get from people trying to >>> weedle information out of them would be horrific, if they disclosed >>> that they were testers, I should imagine. >>> >>> Fi >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com >>> [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] >>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>> Sent: 18 March 2012 23:10 >>> To: Talks Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >>> iPhone) >>> >>> Or if not developers, maybe even Testers, though I do not think the >>> Testers openly say who they are either. >>> >>> Eleanor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com> >>> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:53 PM >>> Subject: [Talks] Developers, are you there? (wasI just bought an >>> iPhone) >>> >>> >>>> Exactly, this silence is really frustrating. >>>> >>>> Developers, are you there? >>>> >>>> Fi >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com >>>> [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>>> Sent: 18 March 2012 22:15 >>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>> >>>> Well said Fi but I must just make another point about the e-mail and >>>> Talks and indeed I raised this within a few days of latest release >>>> of Talks but it was met with a wall of silence. When we want to >>>> read an e-mail we have all this additional information that we do >>>> not want, the number of frames the first frame being untitled and >>>> consisting of 2 colms, when the first frame finishes and when the >>>> second frame starts. Not only that, it is 50 50 if Talks even picks >>>> up the e-mail on first go, I am often treated to Browser Browser >>>> Browser and have to repeat the Talks and arrow down yet again. >>>> >>>> Eleanor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Fi Dunn" <f...@fidunn.plus.com> >>>> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:05 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> I agree totally, especially about E-mail and the FaceBook and >>>>> Twitter jabbering while you're inputting text issue, which is >>>>> really annoying!!! >>>>> It's far easier for me to use my Android, iPhone or even ... um ... >>>>> Mobile >>>>> speak on faceBook! Yes, it doesn't do some other stuff that the >>>>> very latest Talks does, but they haven't broken edit boxes on >>>>> social networking sites up till now. Why should these be broken >>>>> when they were fine before? >>>>> I have only upgraded Talks, not my firmware or anything lately. I'm >>>>> not sure if I should upgrade to the new versions of software >>>>> available, either. Will facebook and Twitter edit boxes still be >>>>> broken, even after that? Will my E-mail be even worse? We don't >>>>> seem to get answers to such questions from developers the way they >>>>> do on the Android list ... and most of the Android screen readers >>>>> are free! So we've kept on and on paying for Talks and can't access >>>>> E-mail very well, and the Ovi Store isn't even a joke! It's worse! >>>>> As far as I know, there hasn't really been any explanation about >>>>> why this doesn't work well, but the same applies with Mobile Speak >>>>> there. Code factory did, at least make older phones read E-mail >>>>> better, though. Having to arrow down to read the body of an E-mail >>>>> really is primitive! >>>>> >>>>> I tend to do most of my mailing on my HTC or iPhone for that reason >>>>> these days. >>>>> >>>>> I love the design of Nokia phones, and the Vocaliser voices used >>>>> with talks, but, if you want to keep us on side, at least give us >>>>> some reasons why this stuff doesn't work well in Symbian, when it >>>>> does on other platforms, please! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for reading this. These are thoughts I have had for a >>>>> number of months now, not just something I thought of today. I've >>>>> already pretty much decided my next new phone ... and I like new >>>>> phones ... often ... >>>>> will almost certainly not b a Nokia on Symbian, with its >>>>> inaccessible Ovi Store, most apps and half-baked e-mail access. >>>>> >>>>> If people think I'm being harsh, I'm sorry. However, I say all this >>>>> after using all three platforms, so I do know what I am comparing. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Fi >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com >>>>> [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] >>>>> On Behalf Of Eleanor Burke >>>>> Sent: 18 March 2012 21:39 >>>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>>> >>>>> Christopher I am very pleased to read what you write below re Talks >>>>> and iPhone. I am aware of more and more blind people making the >>>>> move over to iPhone and I am thinking seriously about it for my >>>>> necxt phone, however, I have been a Talks user for 4 years now and >>>>> my appeal here is to the Talks developers not to let the iPhone and >>>>> Android take over the market of screen readers for the blind. My >>>>> Symbian S60 has met all my needs up to >>>>> 2011 but Talks is not meeting my needs at present. What then are my >>>>> problems? >>>>> >>>>> 1. E-mail accessability is not what it was. I cannot seem to find a >>>>> way on my E6 to save a new e-mail address. >>>>> 2. As pointed out by another list member, over a week ago, the Edit >>>>> boxes in Twitter and Facebook have Talks continually saying edit >>>>> box while one is writing. Yet this has only become an issue with >>>>> Talks released in February 2012. What surprises me is that such an >>>>> issue is not known at release time. Surely the developers run >>>>> through e-mail, internet and social network sites prior to release. >>>>> 3. Despite all I said over months about the work around on E6 to >>>>> start writing in a word document. My comments were not listened to. >>>>> >>>>> Finally Talks developers, I love Talks and do not want to stop >>>>> using this excellent and reasonably priced software, but if my >>>>> comments and those of other users fall on deaf ears, then we may be >>>>> forced to go out and purchase an alternative mobile device than the >>>>> symbian S60 one. >>>>> -----Original message----- >>>>> From: Christopher Chaltain >>>>> Sent: 18/03/2012, 3:28 pm >>>>> To: Talks Mailing List >>>>> Subject: [Talks] I just bought an iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, after being a happy Symbian and Talks user for almost exactly >>>>> 9 years, I finally decided to get a new smart phone, and this time >>>>> I went with an iPhone. Not that why I did so is important to >>>>> anyone, but I'll include some of my thoughts below, as well as how >>>>> much I appreciate Talks and the Symbian platform. >>>>> >>>>> I started using Talks while it was still in beta back at the end of >>>>> 2002. >>>>> I got a Nokia 9290 communicator, and I think this, in conjunction >>>>> with Talks, was the first fully accessible smart phone available to >>>>> the blind. >>>>> I've had 2 Symbian phones since then, the Nokia N75 and the AT&T >>>>> Nokia E71X. Each phone had it's strengths and weaknesses, but in >>>>> general, I've never been disappointed with Symbian or Talks. >>>>> >>>>> My decision to go with an iPhone was a tough one, although that was >>>>> as much philosophical as anything else. I type on my E71X much less >>>>> than I used to, so the thought of going with a touch only device >>>>> became less of a concern for me. I was kind of waiting for the >>>>> Droid 4 (which will have a keyboard), but I wasn't sure when or if >>>>> AT&T would ever carry the Droid 4, and after reading multiple >>>>> reviews of Android and Ice Cream Sandwich, it seemed like I'd be >>>>> waiting quite a while for Android to catch up with the iPhone with >>>>> respect to accessibility. >>>>> >>>>> The closed nature of the iPhone also concerned me when comparing it >>>>> to an Android, or even a Symbian, phone, but I use the cloud more >>>>> and more, and I eventually decided that I could leverage the cloud >>>>> enough to minimize my need to use Windows or iTunes. >>>>> >>>>> I also started finding myself needing an IOS or Android device for >>>>> work and wanting one for personal use, e.g. the apps I needed for >>>>> work or wanted to use personally were only available on the IOS or >>>>> Android platforms. Although there isn't anything wrong with my >>>>> E71X, it is starting to show it's age, and once I decided Android >>>>> would be playing catch up with the iPhone with respect to >>>>> accessibility for quite some time to come, even given Ice Cream >>>>> Sandwich. I decided there was no longer any reason to wait. >>>>> >>>>> I just want to say that I never slammed the iPhone, so I don't >>>>> think I'm being hypocritical at all. I still feel the Symbian >>>>> device and Talks are perfectly adequate solutions for the right >>>>> situation, and I don't think anyone needs to feel like they're >>>>> being left behind if they choose to continue to use a Symbian >>>>> device for another handset or two. It's all about what you want and >>>>> what gets the job done. >>>>> >>>>> I just want to conclude by letting the Talks developers and this >>>>> list know how much I appreciated the technological advances made by >>>>> the Talks developers. They were truly visionaries. I also want this >>>>> list to know how much I appreciated the support I got from this >>>>> list and it's members. >>>>> I'm >>>>> convinced that without Symbian, Talks and this list, I would not >>>>> have been a satisfied blind smart phone user these past nine years. >>>>> >>>>> I'll hang out on this list for a bit, and I'm sure I'll see some of >>>>> you on more generic lists, but eventually I'll have to unsubscribe >>>>> from this list, unless of course, I can't stand the iPhone and come >>>>> back to Talks! >>>>> Wow, this all seems a bit melodramatic, but Talks and this list >>>>> have actually been a big part of my life for most of a decade, so I >>>>> hope y'all will forgive my drama! Good luck everyone in that quest >>>>> for the perfect smart phone for your own situation! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Christopher (CJ) >>>>> chalt...@gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talks mailing list >>>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>>> >>>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>>>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talks mailing list >>>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>>> >>>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>>>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talks mailing list >>>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>>> >>>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>>>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talks mailing list >>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talks mailing list >>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> Talks@talksusers.com >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>> http://www.talknav.net/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> Talks@talksusers.com >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >>> http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> Talks@talksusers.com >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >> http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> Talks@talksusers.com >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >> http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> Talks@talksusers.com >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >> http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> Talks@talksusers.com >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. >> http://www.talknav.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > Talks@talksusers.com > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. > http://www.talknav.net/ > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - 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