To be honest, I imagine the OP just doesn't get it, and quite possibly never
will.  I really just wanted to reply with something other than insults.

I too have seen several of these messages posted to this list.  I have been
pretty appalled at how nasty many of the replies are.  I have noticed much
more lately how some people are just outright mean and insulting when
someone makes a mistake.  I had hoped to not be one of those people, and
maybe give a good impression of this community, that's all.

--
Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT
Cameron Technical Services, Inc.
(512) 454-3200 Main
http://www.camerontech.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Byrnand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Thomas Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Keoki Kalune" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] (no subject)


> > Hi Keoki -
> >
> > You should probably talk to your system administrator or your ISP,
> > whomever
> > handles your e-mail service.  The mailing list you sent your message to
is
> > for people who use and develop SpamAssassin.  There is little chance
that
> > anyone on this list has anything to do with your e-mail service.
> >
>
> Oh dear,
>
> Here we go again...... (I'm not singling you out BTW Thomas, but everyone
> replying to this message, and people who reply to messages like this :)
>
> Almost every single time someone posts a message like this, we get half a
> dozen people reply, and the original poster NEVER replies back to the list
> again, and some people seem puzzled about this... Anyone ever wonder why
> it happens ?
>
> As I see it, there are two reasons - the first is that they're really a
> spammer, or someone who sends spam-like material and they're venting their
> frustrations at the list. Naturally they're not going to reply again.
>
> The other reason is that they're someone who has got to the tag page,
> ignored everything said on it (about contacting your ISP blah blah) and
> deliberately gone out of their way to find the address of the mailing
> list, (which you can find on the "lists" link) and posted a message to the
> list *WITHOUT SUBSCRIBING TO IT* this means that even if they wanted to
> hear any replies they wouldn't get them, except from those who CC all when
> replying, and then they're likely to reply just to that person and not the
> list in general...so we never hear about any successful contact with these
> people...
>
> As far as I know this is an open list that allows non-subscribers to post
> to it. BIG MISTAKE for a list of this nature IMHO. If the list were made
> "subscriber posting only" then a number of things would happen:
>
> * The actual spam that comes directly to the list address (as opposed to
> snippets that list members send) would be eliminated, or at least very
> severely curtailed. (Unless the spammers started using the from address of
> list members....but they'd have to special case their software just for us
> to do that :)
>
> * You'd see an almost total lack of the kind of message that started this
> thread - if they blindly sent a rant to the list without subscribing
> first, it wouldn't go onto the list.... if they DID subscribe, they'd at
> least get the replies...
>
> What do others think ? Sure, there can be some hassles with posting to
> subscriber only lists (posting from a different address etc) but there
> seems to be an awful lot of time and messages wasted on what is a VERY
> busy mailing list in just replying to people who 9 times out of 10 are
> just here to yank our chain, or are too ignorant to read the tag page and
> digest it, and want to vent their frustrations anyway.
>
> Regards,
> Simon
>



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