Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2020-07-15 04:57:
Might not be a bad choice.
+1
I've never even looked at a stock local.cf
and you are pmc member, hmm
[1] from the project in 20 years though.
time flies
Need to do a vanilla install
and see what is in there and where it is generated.
l
> A pointer to the wiki might be useful in the config files as well as
> > the
> > docs. Suggestions of which files?
>
> local.cf is the obvious one.
>
Might not be a bad choice. I've never even looked at a stock local.cf from
the project in 20 years though. Need to do a vanilla install and se
There are rough equivalents to these in the current default rules:
HTTPS_IP_MISMATCH and HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH.
I'm not surprised. Those were my original rules, which became SARE rules,
and a number of those still exist under different names.
Loren
On 14 Jul 2020, at 20:20, Loren Wilton wrote:
I'm looking to detect a mismatch between the domain in the href
property of a URI and a domain in the anchor text itself.
Not using lookbehind, but I long ago wrote these two rules to look for
similar situations. Either could be modified fairly ea
On 14 Jul 2020, at 6:43, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
these members have the right to
check if the current spamassassin license allows for forking.
Like all ASF projects, SA is licensed under the Apache License, v2.0. I
am not an IP lawyer (or any sort of lawyer) but it is my understanding
that f
> I'm looking to detect a mismatch between the domain in the href
> property of a URI and a domain in the anchor text itself.
Not using lookbehind, but I long ago wrote these two rules to look for similar
situations. Either could be modified fairly easily to do what you want.
Note: these are p
* Bill Cole:
> On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:20, Ralph Seichter wrote:
>
>> You obviously continue to ignore that white/black mean different
>> things across the globe.
>
> Not at all. This is exactly why their use when not referring to colors
> is inaccurate and potentially confusing and/or annoying.
I
On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:20, Ralph Seichter wrote:
You obviously continue
to ignore that white/black mean different things across the globe.
Not at all. This is exactly why their use when not referring to colors
is inaccurate and potentially confusing and/or annoying.
--
Bill Cole
b...@scconsu
On 14/07/2020 19:03, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> Marc and others about voting,
>
> The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are earned by
> demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project management committee
> aka the PMC. Discussion with the PMC on this change start
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 20:46:11 +0100
Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 12:53 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> > I agree with you about the idea of turning off everything and just
> > delivering 100% commented configuration files.. I believe SA is a
> > framework that must have walls &
Firstly, not directred at you lbutlr, but to Harry since I dont care to
read his vile trash, BUT,
Let the history note that at 0917 on Wednesday, 15 July 2020, I agreed
with something he allegedly posted.
On 12/07/2020 09:23, @lbutlr wrote:
> On 11 Jul 2020, at 16:38, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 18:39 -0400, Bill Cole wrote:
>
> There are far too many ways that people have BIND already installed
> and configured for a 3rd-party package to be able to safely provide a
> full named.conf that will work for 90% of users who have modified
> their configurations away from t
On 13/07/2020 06:48, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> This isn't a political forum, though. I'd suggest if you want to debate
> politics, go somewhere else. If you want to stop bastard spammers, this is
> the place.
Bullshit it isnt a political forum - YOU Kevin made it one !
One which clearly 99%
On 11/07/2020 21:39, Axb wrote:
> On 7/11/20 1:32 PM, Antony Stone wrote: On Saturday 11 July 2020 at 12:42:43,
> hospice admin wrote:
>
> Concentrating on the technical issues below ...
>
> I think there's a fairly wide consensus among those posting on this thread,
> myself included, that thi
Social Justice activism is political.
On 7/14/2020 10:24 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
I am proud to say I voted for this issue and support it as social
issue, not a political issue.
On 14 Jul 2020, at 18:02, Shane Williams wrote:
I'm looking to detect a mismatch between the domain in the href
property of a URI and a domain in the anchor text itself.
That will match a lot of ham. I'm not saying that it is a bad rule but
it would probably need to be a component in meta-rul
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 16:50 -0500, sha...@shanew.net wrote:
> That last bit is plain wrong. Jamestown had Africans as slaves as
> early as 1619,
>
Fair enough - I was ignoring the Spanish because it seems to me,
possibly wrongly, that what they did in that sphere had little influence
on the Engli
On 14 Jul 2020, at 18:16, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 16:32 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Well, that is documented quite expressly here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/CachingNameserver
A pointer to the wiki might be useful in the config files as wel
On 14 Jul 2020, at 15:46, Martin Gregorie wrote:
But the important point is to have SA docs say, in places that a new
user can't miss that "If you want free use of the default RBLs then
INSTALL YOUR OWN NON-FORWARDING DNS.
I believe that this underestimates the capacity of users to ignore
doc
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 16:32 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> Well, that is documented quite expressly here:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/CachingNameserver
>
> A pointer to the wiki might be useful in the config files as well as
> the
> docs. Suggestions of which file
On 14 Jul 2020, at 5:47, jdow wrote:
On 20200714 02:03:06, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Marc and others about voting,
The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are
earned by demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project
management committee aka the PMC. Discussion
sure it is in your
head. Respect is the social lubricant you need not stupid word changes. It is
sad you do not see this. And your sublime arrogance about it is rather off putting.
{o.o}
On 20200714 09:24:42, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
We'll have to agree to disagree. To me it is clearly rac
I'm looking to detect a mismatch between the domain in the href
property of a URI and a domain in the anchor text itself. It seems
like this is the right place for a negative lookbehind, and I don't
mind writing my own rule, but I can't help thinking that this has been
solved already. Searching
Congrats on derailing another post needlessly.
M. Omer GOLGELI
July 15, 2020 12:41 AM, "Antony Stone"
wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 23:23:29, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 22:59 +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
>> On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 21:46:11, Martin Gregorie
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020, Martin Gregorie wrote:
I notice that the abstract you quoted has no references earlier than
1962, so I find it hard to take it seriously, especially as the earlier
religious links between 'black' and 'sin' appear to be ignored by it.
This is odd considering how much influenc
er of properly working appendages, the
presence or absence of hair on the head, the preferred partner choices, matter
only in very specific circumstances. Respect for a person's abilities and
character apply to every situation. Which does more good?
{^_^}
On 20200714 06:15:36, Kevin A. McG
On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 23:23:29, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 22:59 +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 21:46:11, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> > > This info should include lots of black (hashmarks, asterisks etc).
> >
> > You should be careful of the langua
solution.
{^_^}
* "two man" is less typing than "two person" and less silly than any other three
letter neologism that recognizes "man" is really "male" and "female" and 307
different shades in between. Man means human here. That is something that so
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 22:59 +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 21:46:11, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>
> > This info should include lots of black (hashmarks, asterisks etc).
>
> You should be careful of the language you use these days, especially
> on this
> list.
>
> Yes, I am
On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 21:46:11, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> This info should include lots of black (hashmarks, asterisks etc).
You should be careful of the language you use these days, especially on this
list.
Yes, I am being sarcastic about what you wrote, but I'm also being serious
about t
> Here's a well researched and documented article from a medical
> journal on the topic with expert citations:
> https://jmla.pitt.edu/ojs/jmla/article/view/490 The abstract says it
> very well: "This commentary addresses the widespread use of racist
> language in discussions concerning predatory p
Can we start a separate mailing list for people to discuss this issue elsewhere?
> We do you the courtesy of speaking English, so please do us the
courtesy of not bullying us about
> what you consider permissible or racially charged.
That is our own fault also. I have been trying to get funding for a
project to counter some US monopoly, but we have here just cheap/greedy
in
Well, that is documented quite expressly here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/CachingNameserver
A pointer to the wiki might be useful in the config files as well as the
docs. Suggestions of which files?
--
Kevin A. McGrail
Member, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritu
I really do not get the point of refering to some period, are you a
historian? I am not doing any research on this subject but, the
white/black good/bad dualism[1] goes as far back as 1000BC, who are we
(current generation) to stamp this as being racist and alter the meaning
of it's use in th
* Kevin A. McGrail:
> I would posit that the 1962 date is rooted as much in the US Civil
> Rights movement in the 1960's as anything else. Before then white and
> black definitely had negative connotations [...]
And we're back, once again, to America: The *US* Civil Rights movement
(which I consi
Amen.
> On Jul 14, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Kurt Fitzner wrote:
>
> This is truly unfortunate. The current trend of whitewashing (and no I'm not
> afraid of using a word with "white" in it) away perceived slurs where there
> never were any is both troubling and counter-productive.
>
> I should
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 12:53 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> I agree with you about the idea of turning off everything and just
> delivering 100% commented configuration files.. I believe SA is a
> framework that must have walls & paint added to make it a
> house. Others want it ready to go as a
I would posit that the 1962 date is rooted as much in the US Civil Rights
movement in the 1960's as anything else. Before then white and black
definitely had negative connotations such as whites-only restrooms, areas
on busses, restaurants, water fountains, neighborhoods, and whatever other
atroci
On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 12:24 -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> We'll have to agree to disagree. To me it is clearly racially charged
> language and you are cherry picking your sources. Here's a well
> researched
> and documented article from a medical journal on the topic with expert
> citations: h
This is truly unfortunate. The current trend of whitewashing (and no
I'm not afraid of using a word with "white" in it) away perceived slurs
where there never were any is both troubling and counter-productive.
I shouldn't have to post something like this here. We should all be
adults and intell
I think documenting the simple way to disable it makes sense, yes. Which
command do you do that worked for you and I can look at adding it to a
3.4.5.pre file.
--
Kevin A. McGrail
Member, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 7
> On Jul 14, 2020, at 12:08 PM, M. Omer GOLGELI wrote:
>
> July 14, 2020 6:07 PM, "Kevin A. McGrail" wrote:
>
>> The question you ask is exactly why we have the DNSBL Inclusion policy and
>> require the free for
>> some model.
>>
>> We might need to kick up the need for the BLOCKED rule wi
On 14 Jul 2020, at 10:10, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Kevin,
If my words or position had any chance of modifying course, I would
certainly do so again. But as you say further down, the "hullabaloo" of
people trying to present other points of view, is pointless.
Luis, the article I quoted was we
t for what they
see as good reasons. Personally I believe the change is a technical failure and
will not provide the social results they seem to desire. They should think
about it.
{o.o}
On 20200714 02:57:19, Marc Roos wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> To you and others spouting of
On 7/14/2020 1:04 PM, Luis E. Muñoz wrote:
> Are there any sort of numbers regarding how are the SA instances being
> installed? Is it mostly for distros? Direct installs?
No.
> SA could ship the walls & paint as you describe, and leave to the
> distros the activation of such features they think th
Luis, the article I quoted was well research and included expert
citations. I'd be interested if you can find me one that says it isn't
racially-charged with expert citations, please. Especially one that has
citations almost 50 years old that mention the problem.
> The vote of the PMC is being p
On 14 Jul 2020, at 9:53, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
I agree with you about the idea of turning off everything and just
delivering 100% commented configuration files.. I believe SA is a
framework that must have walls & paint added to make it a house.
Others
want it ready to go as a pre-fab house
On 14 Jul 2020, at 9:24, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Here's a well researched
and documented article from a medical journal on the topic with expert
citations: https://jmla.pitt.edu/ojs/jmla/article/view/490 The
abstract
says it very well: "This commentary addresses the widespread use of
racist
l
I agree with you about the idea of turning off everything and just
delivering 100% commented configuration files.. I believe SA is a
framework that must have walls & paint added to make it a house. Others
want it ready to go as a pre-fab house aka a drop-in spam filter. As a
project, the majorit
Solved...
forget this please and sorry for bothering...
i need ro rest...
--Pedro.
>On Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 05:47:33 PM GMT+2, Pedro David Marco
wrote:
>Ssometimes (not always) when non-compiled rules do not match compiled ones,
>SA says:
> dbg: zoom: skipping rul
We'll have to agree to disagree. To me it is clearly racially charged
language and you are cherry picking your sources. Here's a well researched
and documented article from a medical journal on the topic with expert
citations: https://jmla.pitt.edu/ojs/jmla/article/view/490 The abstract
says it
July 14, 2020 6:07 PM, "Kevin A. McGrail" wrote:
> The question you ask is exactly why we have the DNSBL Inclusion policy and
> require the free for
> some model.
>
> We might need to kick up the need for the BLOCKED rule with instructions in
> that description on how
> to disable the rules. W
On 7/14/20 8:15 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
The only change is that in 2009, they asked us to standardize on
referring to them as the /*_Apache Nation_*/ but otherwise, there are
no issues with the Apache name. We are proud to use the name Apache
and hope that our great work as a foundation br
> racially-charged nature of blacklist
There is no such thing.
Black list originates from black book, that is a book with white pages and
black cover, with black ink, where sins are listed in haven for you to be
judged upon.
On the colour of the cover, it is black because that's how old leathe
Ssometimes (not always) when non-compiled rules do not match compiled ones, SA
says:
dbg: zoom: skipping rule __PHISH_TEXT_SOLUC18i, code differs in
compiled ruleset
Is there simple way to force the use of non-compiled rules over compiled ones
when there is a mismatch?
Thanks!
--
M. Omer GOLGELI skrev den 2020-07-14 16:55:
It is fair.
+1
Unless you have been unknowingly using it and weren't aware of the
limits.
+1
But maybe this kind of RBLs shouldn't be on by default due to their
commercial nature and must be left to the user to activate after
installation.
wh
The question you ask is exactly why we have the DNSBL Inclusion policy and
require the free for some model.
We might need to kick up the need for the BLOCKED rule with instructions in
that description on how to disable the rules. What are your thoughts on
that?
--
Kevin A. McGrail
Member, Apach
Yep, agreed. A fix has been committed on the 10th but it's got to go
through masscheck to get published which might take another few days.
--
Kevin A. McGrail
Member, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
On Tue,
Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2020-07-14 16:46:
We believe this problem is related to both a problem in the rules as
well as the outdated version of SA by the user. Sa-update on 3.4.3+
will install on a lint warning.
its a clear bug on its own
July 11, 2020 1:33 PM, "Riccardo Alfieri" wrote:
> Excuse me but isn't it at least "fair" that, if you use a service provided by
> others for commercial
> purposes, you pay for that service that contributes to your income?
It is fair.
Unless you have been unknowingly using it and weren't aware
I would argue that welcome is better than allow in many contexts,
including SpamAssassin. After all, w.*list isn't just used to indicate
something is allowed, but to indicate that we actively want to receive
the email in question (by lowering its score).
You allow a maintenance worker into your
Your association is just antiquated. I can't remember exactly when but
blocklist has been getting used to replace the racially-charged nature of
blacklist. Here's a public example from 2012:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/DnsBlocklistsInclusionPolicy
This verbiage chan
We believe this problem is related to both a problem in the rules as well
as the outdated version of SA by the user. Sa-update on 3.4.3+ will
install on a lint warning.
--
Kevin A. McGrail
Member, Apache Software Foundation
Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmc
A. Schulze skrev den 2020-07-14 13:19:
I tried to place "meta USER_IN_ALLOWLIST_TO (USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO)" in
$LOCAL_RULES_DIR/local.cf
But that failed, too.
sorry then, my rule ensure that USER_IN_ALLOWLIST_TO exists if
USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO exists aswell
if none of them exists you still ha
Kevin A. McGrail skrev den 2020-07-14 13:55:
It will get fixed when masscheck pushes out a new ruleset.
until this happen all can restore old ruleset from tarballs
please do not make this problem ever again
> Yeah, allow/deny is more logical but using them requires all acronyms
to change.
> After some trial and error, we dialed in the changes to welcome and
block which
> also keeps other terminology like RBL, DNSBL, WLBL, etc. consistent
> so there is less upheaval.
I associate BL with blackl
Yeah, allow/deny is more logical but using them requires all acronyms to
change. After some trial and error, we dialed in the changes to welcome
and block which also keeps other terminology like RBL, DNSBL, WLBL, etc.
consistent so there is less upheaval.
Regards,
KAM
--
Kevin A. McGrail
Member,
On 7/14/20 4:05 PM, Dave Goodrich wrote:
I can't stop it from happening, so be it.
Here's an idea..
if enough voices are loud enough... Make yourself heard, press, twitter,
etc.. use the same channels which are being used to favour the change.
Or are there too many ppl who fear being in the
> I like the change from whitelist/blacklist to allowlist/blocklist
because it is more descriptive.
Allow/deny list sounds more logical.
Semantics, I chose the wrong project name but the point is still there. That
the Apache Nation doesn't mind is not important in today's culture, I know
black people who do not feel offended by the term blacklist.
I do not believe the term blacklist had any racial origins, until white people
as
* Kevin A. McGrail:
> To you and others spouting off, be reminded that this is a publicly
> archived mailing list and you will be on the wrong side of history.
"The horror... The horror..." (W. Kurtz) :-)
Seriously, what's with the drama? This discussion already has emotions
running high.
As I
Eric Broch writes:
> As I've pointed out in previous posts the proponents are under a delusion.
It is fascinating that the person who cried about ad hominem attacks so
much resorts to the very same.
Every time Eric Broch writes to me off-list, or on list about this
subject, I donate another $10
sonally I believe the change is a technical failure and will not
provide the social results they seem to desire. They should think
about it.
{o.o}
On 20200714 02:57:19, Marc Roos wrote:
To you and others spouting off, be reminded that this is a publicly
archived mailing list and you
will
Dave,
The goal of removing racially-charged language is to be more inclusive by
being less offensive and more aware of the language we use without
thinking.
Re: Apache naming, you are mixing up the duties of the Apache SpamAssassin
Project with the Apache Software Foundation. This is just an arg
No, I am reading your words. The goal here is to remove language you, and
others, believe to be racially charged. To what goal, I cannot understand.
If you change whitelist/blacklist for the reason you have given, you must
change the name Apache and change it's logo. The root and origin of both
I think you are reading other people's take on things. Clearer language
was an added bonus but never the reason. The reason was to remove racially
charged language and 4.0 was a good opportunity to do it since the major
bump would allow for disruption. Further, this article was what reminded
me
The wrong side of history? Are you kidding me?
I have been a long time user of Apache products. SA has been my go to solution
for decades. Until this morning, I was without opinion on this issue and I even
understood, and agreed, that the change had merit for clarity. But, 'go along
or be on t
Ahh yes. So it's an older SpamAssassin install. Good call.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 08:04 Henrik K wrote:
>
> The lint failure was only changed to debug since 3.4.3.
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 04:59:51PM -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> > Thanks. Please see [1]
> https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssas
The lint failure was only changed to debug since 3.4.3.
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 04:59:51PM -0400, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
> Thanks. Please see [1]https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=7838
> and this should be resolved. I'm surprised a warning caused a failure though.
> --
> Kevin
It will get fixed when masscheck pushes out a new ruleset.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 07:20 A. Schulze wrote:
>
>
> Am 11.07.20 um 23:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen:
> > Marcus Schopen skrev den 2020-07-11 23:43:
> >> config: warning: description exists for non-existent rule
> >> USER_IN_ALLOWLIST_TO
> >
Am 11.07.20 um 23:55 schrieb Benny Pedersen:
> Marcus Schopen skrev den 2020-07-11 23:43:
>> config: warning: description exists for non-existent rule
>> USER_IN_ALLOWLIST_TO
>
> meta USER_IN_ALLOWLIST_TO (USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO)
Hello,
My SA hit the same update issue. It was unable to update t
> Please Marc, stick to technical merit for your argument.
There is no technical discussion here afaik.
> Getting nasty does not solve technical problems, which we have here.
Attacks are not
> going to solve anything. Rational arguments may not. But, they should
be made just the same.
Ther
On 7/14/20 12:55 PM, jdow wrote:
I gotta ask here, "Can't we all skip the ad hominem insults and stick to
technical merits and goals involved in this change?" Please.
from where I sit, it will be very hard or there are no such merits / goals.
On 20200714 03:46:14, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:54 AM Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
I think you are focusing on the wrong part of my warning. This is a public
forum. The public including search engines and reporters and employers and
family can read it. Minutes after a
have the right to fork it out.
>
> After all, someone said "A right delayed is a right denied."
>
> > {o.o}
> >
> > On 20200714 02:57:19, Marc Roos wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> To you and others spouting off, be re
On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 5:54 AM Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>
> I think you are focusing on the wrong part of my warning. This is a public
> forum. The public including search engines and reporters and employers and
> family can read it. Minutes after a post is sent there are thousands and
> tho
nt spamassassin license allows for forking. And if
that is the case, they have the right to fork it out.
After all, someone said "A right delayed is a right denied."
> {o.o}
>
> On 20200714 02:57:19, Marc Roos wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> To you
Yes, history is written by people, not one person. Nor should one person think
(in my opinion) that they have a grasp at what will be perceived as the ‘wrong
and right’ side of history while that history is still to be written.
And last of all, such standing points should never be used to try
(think they) want.
The job is to lead them to thinking they want something different for what they
see as good reasons. Personally I believe the change is a technical failure and
will not provide the social results they seem to desire. They should think about it.
{o.o}
On 20200714 02:57:19
> To you and others spouting off, be reminded that this is a publicly
archived mailing list and you
> will be on the wrong side of history. Consider that when you post.
You must be feeling like a king in your little PMC? Who are you to judge
whom is on the wrong side of history. No wonder
I think you are focusing on the wrong part of my warning. This is a public
forum. The public including search engines and reporters and employers and
family can read it. Minutes after a post is sent there are thousands and
thousands of copies.
I believe others who disagree with removing raciall
On 20200714 02:03:06, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
Marc and others about voting,
The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are earned by
demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project management committee aka
the PMC. Discussion with the PMC on this change started in
I am not inclined to weigh in on the discussion since I think it’s poisoned
already (from both sides) but what really triggers me is claiming someone who
disagrees with you to be ‘on the wrong side of history’. You have an opinion,
and are entitled to it: you’re no deity however.
Van: Kevin
Sir, you are being awfully rude and personal.
Regards
Brent
On 2020/07/14 10:56, Marc Roos wrote:
It looks to me, like nobody is taking time to think. Just telling
someone to fork code is rediculous and shows contempt for users. If
something is opensource it does not mean you can act without a
Marc and others about voting,
The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are earned by
demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project management committee
aka the PMC. Discussion with the PMC on this change started in early April
with a vote in early May by the PMC.
To
It looks to me, like nobody is taking time to think. Just telling
someone to fork code is rediculous and shows contempt for users. If
something is opensource it does not mean you can act without any
obligations, that is naïve perspective.
If you decide to bring a kids soccer team for free to
i already opened a voting process here Marc...
LET's VOTE...
Would you like to have Apache Spamassassin change "WhiteList" and "BlackList"
terms due to racism sensibilities?
-Pedro
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020, 09:51:29 AM GMT+2, Marc Roos
wrote:
> I never said it was being done
It is open source software, Axb. If you think it will take.you hundreds of
hours unbilled for you to make the change on your system, you can easily
add the code for the stubs and aliases back whenever 4.1 comes out.
That is one of the great things about oss is you control your destiny.
With aslv2
> I never said it was being done for engineering reasons. The change is
> being done to remove racially-charged language from Apache
> SpamAssassin. As an open source project, we are part of a movement
> built on a foundation of inclusion that has changed how computing is
> done. The engi
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