No, I am reading your words. The goal here is to remove language you, and others, believe to be racially charged. To what goal, I cannot understand.
If you change whitelist/blacklist for the reason you have given, you must change the name Apache and change it's logo. The root and origin of both are not important, it is culturally insensitive to use the name Apache if you are not a native American. To not go all the way with this would simply be wrong. DAve ----- On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:28 AM, Kevin A. McGrail <kmcgr...@apache.org> wrote: > I think you are reading other people's take on things. Clearer language was an > added bonus but never the reason. The reason was to remove racially charged > language and 4.0 was a good opportunity to do it since the major bump would > allow for disruption. Further, this article was what reminded me to bring it > up: [ > https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-ncsc-to-stop-using-whitelist-and-blacklist-due-to-racial-stereotyping/ > | > https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-ncsc-to-stop-using-whitelist-and-blacklist-due-to-racial-stereotyping/ > ] > Regards, > KAM > -- > Kevin A. McGrail > Member, Apache Software Foundation > Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project > [ https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail | https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail > ] > - 703.798.0171 > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 8:23 AM Dave Goodrich < [ > mailto:dgoodr...@greenfieldin.org | dgoodr...@greenfieldin.org ] > wrote: >> The wrong side of history? Are you kidding me? >> I have been a long time user of Apache products. SA has been my go to >> solution >> for decades. Until this morning, I was without opinion on this issue and I >> even >> understood, and agreed, that the change had merit for clarity. But, 'go along >> or be on the wrong side of history' (sic) tells me this is not about a more >> clear and understandable naming convention. This is posturing and pandering. >> I am disappointed greatly. Very disappointed. >> DAve >> ----- On Jul 14, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Kevin A. McGrail < [ >> mailto:kmcgr...@apache.org | kmcgr...@apache.org ] > wrote: >>> Marc and others about voting, >>> The ASF is a meritocracy not a democracy. Voting privileges are earned by >>> demonstrating merit on a project. That is the project management committee >>> aka >>> the PMC. Discussion with the PMC on this change started in early April with >>> a >>> vote in early May by the PMC. >>> To Marc, your Ad hominem attacks are not needed and I will ignore messages >>> that >>> use them. >>> To you and others spouting off, be reminded that this is a publicly archived >>> mailing list and you will be on the wrong side of history. Consider that >>> when >>> you post. >>> Regards, KAM >>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 03:51 Marc Roos < [ mailto:m.r...@f1-outsourcing.eu | >>> m.r...@f1-outsourcing.eu ] > wrote: >>>> > I never said it was being done for engineering reasons. The change is >>>> > being done to remove racially-charged language from Apache >>>> > SpamAssassin. As an open source project, we are part of a movement >>>> > built on a foundation of inclusion that has changed how computing is >>>> > done. The engineering concerns are outweighed by the social benefits >>>> > and your huffing is not going to stop it. >>>> If you are referencing opensource and community. Why is this group not >>>> voting on this? Why is only a small group deciding what is being done? >>>> Such a vote, hardly can classify as open source, community nor >>>> democratic.
