Re: [Users] OpenVZ templates

2015-06-30 Thread Сергей Мамонов
But where we can get documentation about this format? In search I see only like http://kb.odin.com/en/924 http://download.swsoft.com/virtuozzo/virtuozzo4.0/docs/en/lin/VzLinuxReference/14325.htm , yet. 2015-06-29 20:00 GMT+03:00 Pavel Odintsov : > Awesome!!! > > > On Monday, June 29, 2015, Sergey

[Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello, folks! I have just found this article: https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel And I enough upset with it because I need to install Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running open source OpenVZ. >From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license for external license. I

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Actually I want to make feature request for ability to run open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro like CentOS or Debian where I can be sure about really _clean_ code from viruses and backdoors. On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov wrote: > Hello, folks! > > I have just found

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Thanks for answer Kristian! But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7 here. From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla because "you have used not recommended distribution". It's normal practice for big vendors and I really scary about it. On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Kristian Marcroft
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. As far as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment. Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will change with Virtuozzo 7. T

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and "it's not working yet". I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work". Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this time. Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do not like at all. I do n

Re: [Users] OpenVZ templates

2015-06-30 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - > But where we can get documentation about this format? > In search I see only like > http://kb.odin.com/en/924 > http://download.swsoft.com/virtuozzo/virtuozzo4.0/docs/en/lin/VzLinuxReference/14325.htm > , yet. vzpkg is basically dead because of bit rot.

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Kristian Marcroft
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required? You should be able to use CentOS as an OS? I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will actually give out recommendations and that Odin will support their recommendations in t

Re: [Users] OpenVZ templates

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
I have nice idea. What about "week of templates" for OpenVZ? I really want to setup my own server for building Debian-8 templates. But there are no docs. Actually we have HUGE experience with PCS templates system and could share this experience. But we need help from OpenVZ folks with some inform

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - \> I have just found this article: > https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel > > And I enough upset with it because I need to install Commercial Paid > Software (CloudLinux) for running open source OpenVZ. > > From my point of view, it's not OK to a

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - > But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7 here. From > my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla because "you have > used not recommended distribution". It's normal practice for big > vendors and I really scary about it. As you sho

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Yep, they down the road. But I'm really interested in help with development of it. And just asking for some help =) Actually I want to build parts of Virtuozzo 7 as soon as possible and test they for my cases. Finally, I could offer feedback/bugreports and manuals "how to use it". It's open proje

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - > Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and "it's > not working yet". > > I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work". > > Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this time. > Because so much "heritage" fr

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
I do not want to be not polite. And I'm so sorry if somebody take offense by my speech. Sorry, folks! On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Scott Dowdle wrote: > Greetings, > > - Original Message - >> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and "it's >> not working yet". >>

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Kristian Marcroft
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I think you are personally expecting to much in to short time. Actually I think that most of the stuff shared publicly is not finished yet. But you now have the chance to at least look into some stuff Odin is doing and maybe even the community can

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - > 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not provide any references > "How you can build template manually". One clarification from my last post... yes, it is true that vzpkg died and vztt (the commercial OS Template build system from Virtuzzo only rece

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Thank you so much for support :) Really, I want to do more with OpenVZ and really want to get new features from RHEL7 kernel. And I have full understanding of this very long and deep process. And we need so huge time (one or two years) for stable RHEL7 release. Thats why I want to build "test en

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Scott, I could ask you one simple thing. Please read this ticket https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227 and share your experience here. If you think it's OK to offer _official_ templates with bunch of security issues I could agree with you and revoke all my complains. But I'm really sur

Re: [Users] OpenVZ templates

2015-06-30 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - > I have nice idea. What about "week of templates" for OpenVZ? I really > want to setup my own server for building Debian-8 templates. But > there are no docs. > > Actually we have HUGE experience with PCS templates system and could > share this experience.

Re: [Users] OpenVZ templates

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Scott, my users use about ~25 different templates just because they can. And I have so much tasks which not related with OpenVZ and templates and I can't spent my time for rebuilding templates every day. I have completely automatic Cloud Management System builded on top of OpenVZ. And we host doze

Re: [Users] OpenVZ templates

2015-06-30 Thread Сергей Мамонов
>How does the newer vztt OS Template build system do what it does? I don't know yet... That's what I'm talking about. How create template from OS installed in chroot/container? - It have instruction in wiki and etc. It is not problem. But what we must do with this source from https://src.openvz

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - > Scott, I could ask you one simple thing. Please read this ticket > https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227 and share your > experience here. > > If you think it's OK to offer _official_ templates with bunch of > security issues I could agree with

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Sergey Bronnikov
Let me explain and answer on your questions (inline). As we announced earlier we have following plan: - publish source code of closed components from commercial product (Virtuozzo aka PCS 6) - publish RPM packages for each component - publish test builds for Virtuozzo 7 distribution as installatio

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Thank you for detailed answer. I haven't questions anymore! Awesome! On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Sergey Bronnikov wrote: > Let me explain and answer on your questions (inline). > > As we announced earlier we have following plan: > - publish source code of closed components from commercial p

Re: [Users] Why open source OpenVZ project require commercial CloudLinux as platform?

2015-06-30 Thread Sergey Bronnikov
On 13:26 Tue 30 Jun , Pavel Odintsov wrote: > Scott, I could ask you one simple thing. Please read this ticket > https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227 and share your > experience here. > > If you think it's OK to offer _official_ templates with bunch of > security issues I could agree w

Re: [Users] OpenVZ templates

2015-06-30 Thread Sergey Bronnikov
inline On 13:40 Tue 30 Jun , Pavel Odintsov wrote: > Scott, my users use about ~25 different templates just because they > can. And I have so much tasks which not related with OpenVZ and > templates and I can't spent my time for rebuilding templates every > day. > > I have completely automatic Cl