Thank you for detailed answer. I haven't questions anymore! Awesome! On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Sergey Bronnikov <serg...@openvz.org> wrote: > Let me explain and answer on your questions (inline). > > As we announced earlier we have following plan: > - publish source code of closed components from commercial product (Virtuozzo > aka PCS 6) > - publish RPM packages for each component > - publish test builds for Virtuozzo 7 distribution as installation ISO image > We made all our planned action items. Binary builds are available right now > and announce about it will follow (I believe this week). > > Preferred and recommended way to use our containers is installation of > Virtuozzo 7 distribution on bare metal. Why we recommend to use > our own distribution? > - distribution includes kernel with additional patches for containers > which are still absent in vanilla kernels: > * ploop > * veth patches > * io limits > * iops limits > * new memory management for containers are in upstream, > but few patches are still not committed > * /dev/console > * virtualization of tmpfs > - Virtuozzo distribution includes Cloud Linux packages with our patches. > Sometimes during testing we found bugs which requires changes in > standard Linux components. In such situation we make patch and try to > put in upstream. It is quite long process, but we do our best to make it done. > Thus Cloud Linux is our upstream Linux distribution. > Examples of components with our patches: > * grub > * parted (global sync patch) > * upstart > * anaconda + pykickstart > * gcc > Again, we can only recommend to use Cloud Linux with our containers and > virtual > machines but we cannot forbid you to use our tools with other Linux > distributions. Also you can build your own distribution with our VZ > components > and name it for example "BolgenOS Containers". You can sell it and provide > support for money. It is a main idea of opensource - you can do with > opensource > components everything you want, if these action doesn't violate license. > > P.S. Cloud Linux is the same Linux distribution as RHEL, CentOS or > Scientific Linux. But we can rely on developers from Cloud Linux unlike > CentOS community or RedHat. SRPMs for Cloud Linux distribution are > public available. See http://koji.cloudlinux.com/cloudlinux/7/os/Sources/ > So your complains about "closed Cloud Linux" are not acceptable. > > > On 12:01 Tue 30 Jun , Pavel Odintsov wrote: >> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and "it's >> not working yet". >> >> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work". >> >> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this time. >> Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do not like >> at all. >> >> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project". >> >> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to >> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world. And >> "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project, it's >> not true open source". >> >> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not like >> steps of Odin company and community manager here. >> >> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way to >> build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code > > Really? Could you provide more details? > >> 2) They offer closed source distribution with bunch of crap instead >> 3) They put bunch of code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os >> docs, manuals and any help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks >> and it's really HARD challenge. > > Wow! Would be nice to hear your experience. Please share! > >> 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not provide any references >> "How you can build template manually". > > Ask not what OpenVZ can do for you but what you can do for OpenVZ? > > We have quite limited engineering resources and huge plans for upcoming > Virtuozzo 7. For resources I mean smart people who works under Vz7 for money > and other staff which works for full time, make the best containers and > publish these work for everyone. > > If you found something absent in open project you can implement it yourself. > >> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean >> "doing open source". > >> Open source is: >> 1) Share ideas > > https://openvz.org/Wishlist > More ideas will come with OpenVZ Jira. We are preparing it right now > and will migrate all OpenVZ issues from Bugzilla to Jira soon. > >> 2) Offer help and documentation > > What kind of help do you expect? > We plan to publish documentation for Vz7, but it will be quite > similar to PCS 6 documentation published on site > http://www.odin.com/products/virtuozzo/documentation/ > >> 3) Mind about community, not about commercial success. > > Sure. It was a reason why we gathered community feedback in > OpenVZ survey. > >> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing Virtuozzo >> better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad. > > Thanks for your oppinion. > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft <k...@kwm-web.info> >> wrote: >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. >> > As far as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the >> > RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment. >> > >> > Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will change >> > with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Kristian >> > >> > >> > >> > Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: >> >> Thanks for answer Kristian! >> >> >> >> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7 here. >> >> From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla because "you >> >> have used not recommended distribution". It's normal practice for >> >> big vendors and I really scary about it. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft >> >> <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi, >> >> >> >> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required? You >> >> should be able to use CentOS as an OS? >> >> >> >> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will actually >> >> give out recommendations and that Odin will support their >> >> recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo. >> >> >> >> Regards, Kristian Marcroft >> >> >> >> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: >> >>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to run >> >>>>> open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro like CentOS >> >>>>> or Debian where I can be sure about really _clean_ code from >> >>>>> viruses and backdoors. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov >> >>>>> <pavel.odint...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> Hello, folks! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I have just found this article: >> >>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install >> >>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running open >> >>>>>> source OpenVZ. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license for >> >>>>>> external license. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do not want >> >>>>>> to buy additional tools from another company which is >> >>>>>> completely not related with OpenVZ project. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> That's all. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ Users mailing >> >>> list Users@openvz.org >> >>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > Version: GnuPG v1 >> > >> > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVklctAAoJECFUP413Yj6jQrcH+gJwMdJHsUZnUcgf6sAxaBiQ >> > UYYTIpz/Fo58fH5kPVLPDKVY/YJx7tYMvxv0ElQKj4TBH0LL4/rW1YkMVKlRAFf4 >> > 08e7b8XB6BsBTGtMHT685/pN9QIEjAnAMhgNlEOL0ljZV7+DR8oZwl89vBXt7oR2 >> > xCvjAnmdxdsMQs2OxTk3hoq40Q1bPR/SdbmNfX/oWOg1NRk2swz19hKhAAw9pTYm >> > wzrrwz5hnkOlmJsTdSnWZKipA0OJfxviQjZuEFeK1YsR8NONXd1mKEukhQR8DUNQ >> > 170BPLG7AzeZjdot5H18fvsSI/utVWOiZAx+JwA5iPWDe3rjXaLQtnRI1cx00iM= >> > =DCF1 >> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Users mailing list >> > Users@openvz.org >> > https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users@openvz.org >> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > -- > https://openvz.org/Contribute
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