Scott, I could ask you one simple thing. Please read this ticket https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227 and share your experience here.
If you think it's OK to offer _official_ templates with bunch of security issues I could agree with you and revoke all my complains. But I'm really sure about inadmissibility of issues like this. That's why I really interested in completely open source _automatic_ template build system for my company. On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Pavel Odintsov <pavel.odint...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you so much for support :) > > Really, I want to do more with OpenVZ and really want to get new > features from RHEL7 kernel. > > And I have full understanding of this very long and deep process. And > we need so huge time (one or two years) for stable RHEL7 release. > > Thats why I want to build "test env" in my Company ASAP for help > OpenVZ team with bug hunting and load testing. > > But I can't do it without documentation. That's my main complain and > main idea of all this speech. > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kristian Marcroft <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi, >> >> I think you are personally expecting to much in to short time. >> Actually I think that most of the stuff shared publicly is not >> finished yet. But you now have the chance to at least look into some >> stuff Odin is doing and maybe even the community can help to create >> documentation. >> >> You will also have to respect, that Odin still has a commercial >> interest behind all of this. >> >> Basically nothing is changing. >> >> The Kernel base of OpenVZ has always been the base for Virtuozzo (or >> the other way round?) >> >> Now Odin is starting to release some tools and more features. >> Instead of bulling them to do more, you should remember that as far as >> I know there are only limited resources provided by Odin and most >> contributions are actually also done in their free time. >> >> Currently, the stable version is CentOS 6 with RHEL-6 based Kernel. >> You can stick with that and just wait until the rest matures. >> >> I do understand you want to use a recent OS such as CentOS 7, but that >> is not ready for use yet. That's what one would call development in >> progress I guess :) >> >> So just give it all a bit more time and all will be fine. >> >> Regards, >> Kristian >> >> >> >> Am 30.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: >>> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and >>> "it's not working yet". >>> >>> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work". >>> >>> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this >>> time. Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do >>> not like at all. >>> >>> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project". >>> >>> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to >>> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world. >>> And "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project, >>> it's not true open source". >>> >>> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not >>> like steps of Odin company and community manager here. >>> >>> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way >>> to build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code 2) They offer closed >>> source distribution with bunch of crap instead 3) They put bunch of >>> code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os docs, manuals and any >>> help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks and it's really >>> HARD challenge. 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not >>> provide any references "How you can build template manually". >>> >>> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean >>> "doing open source". >>> >>> Open source is: >>> >>> 1) Share ideas 2) Offer help and documentation 3) Mind about >>> community, not about commercial success. >>> >>> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing >>> Virtuozzo better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft >>> <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi, >>> >>> CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. As far >>> as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the >>> RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment. >>> >>> Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will >>> change with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean. >>> >>> Regards, Kristian >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: >>>>>> Thanks for answer Kristian! >>>>>> >>>>>> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7 >>>>>> here. From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla >>>>>> because "you have used not recommended distribution". It's >>>>>> normal practice for big vendors and I really scary about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft >>>>>> <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required? >>>>>> You should be able to use CentOS as an OS? >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will >>>>>> actually give out recommendations and that Odin will support >>>>>> their recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, Kristian Marcroft >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: >>>>>>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to >>>>>>>>> run open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro >>>>>>>>> like CentOS or Debian where I can be sure about really >>>>>>>>> _clean_ code from viruses and backdoors. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov >>>>>>>>> <pavel.odint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hello, folks! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have just found this article: >>>>>>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install >>>>>>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running >>>>>>>>>> open source OpenVZ. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license >>>>>>>>>> for external license. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do >>>>>>>>>> not want to buy additional tools from another company >>>>>>>>>> which is completely not related with OpenVZ project. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ Users >>>>>>> mailing list Users@openvz.org >>>>>>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Users mailing >>>> list Users@openvz.org >>>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> >>> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1 >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVkmeKAAoJECFUP413Yj6jaTkH+QGiwPDNowd2BZXyLSb79UyB >> sgPUN+VyIfU8F21XFQBWzYkHZSLniaTMQb22CDW5S6EROoaLKUyEyGzcwLGNCl7U >> XJsExQZzOHZu/SOFLGsTZ/pOrdi/8IbrYqIP9OoqJMWJgj7mHTVv5eSdGMptnR/v >> D4zDSYHEaptVKeTPConeyyv/yLpWWKUXu2fWLQ01hKotqC/OV611J6PBKKnB7stM >> iyphjNHgOkWSWhagVVvkrUXgURd51tq9+zmyZr1s/v5pAIrgn5X8CkQ3Liu2dpEE >> gLk15RMkAZiEhoKOMVcXYfc/eggx6M2d8fvdyZmaLeRDO+CJcVEaUF7zoihKw6k= >> =yxHH >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> Users@openvz.org >> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > -- > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@openvz.org https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
