On 13:26 Tue 30 Jun , Pavel Odintsov wrote: > Scott, I could ask you one simple thing. Please read this ticket > https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3227 and share your > experience here. > > If you think it's OK to offer _official_ templates with bunch of > security issues I could agree with you and revoke all my complains. > > But I'm really sure about inadmissibility of issues like this. > > That's why I really interested in completely open source _automatic_ > template build system for my company.
I am interesting in such build system too. In first approximation it can look like: - take OS templates (like we published in https://src.openvz.org/projects/OVZT) and rebuild them on regular basis (per hour). > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Pavel Odintsov > <pavel.odint...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you so much for support :) > > > > Really, I want to do more with OpenVZ and really want to get new > > features from RHEL7 kernel. > > > > And I have full understanding of this very long and deep process. And > > we need so huge time (one or two years) for stable RHEL7 release. > > > > Thats why I want to build "test env" in my Company ASAP for help > > OpenVZ team with bug hunting and load testing. > > > > But I can't do it without documentation. That's my main complain and > > main idea of all this speech. > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kristian Marcroft <k...@kwm-web.info> > > wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I think you are personally expecting to much in to short time. > >> Actually I think that most of the stuff shared publicly is not > >> finished yet. But you now have the chance to at least look into some > >> stuff Odin is doing and maybe even the community can help to create > >> documentation. > >> > >> You will also have to respect, that Odin still has a commercial > >> interest behind all of this. > >> > >> Basically nothing is changing. > >> > >> The Kernel base of OpenVZ has always been the base for Virtuozzo (or > >> the other way round?) > >> > >> Now Odin is starting to release some tools and more features. > >> Instead of bulling them to do more, you should remember that as far as > >> I know there are only limited resources provided by Odin and most > >> contributions are actually also done in their free time. > >> > >> Currently, the stable version is CentOS 6 with RHEL-6 based Kernel. > >> You can stick with that and just wait until the rest matures. > >> > >> I do understand you want to use a recent OS such as CentOS 7, but that > >> is not ready for use yet. That's what one would call development in > >> progress I guess :) > >> > >> So just give it all a bit more time and all will be fine. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Kristian > >> > >> > >> > >> Am 30.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: > >>> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and > >>> "it's not working yet". > >>> > >>> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work". > >>> > >>> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this > >>> time. Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do > >>> not like at all. > >>> > >>> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project". > >>> > >>> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to > >>> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world. > >>> And "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project, > >>> it's not true open source". > >>> > >>> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not > >>> like steps of Odin company and community manager here. > >>> > >>> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way > >>> to build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code 2) They offer closed > >>> source distribution with bunch of crap instead 3) They put bunch of > >>> code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os docs, manuals and any > >>> help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks and it's really > >>> HARD challenge. 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not > >>> provide any references "How you can build template manually". > >>> > >>> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean > >>> "doing open source". > >>> > >>> Open source is: > >>> > >>> 1) Share ideas 2) Offer help and documentation 3) Mind about > >>> community, not about commercial success. > >>> > >>> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing > >>> Virtuozzo better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft > >>> <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi, > >>> > >>> CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. As far > >>> as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the > >>> RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment. > >>> > >>> Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will > >>> change with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean. > >>> > >>> Regards, Kristian > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: > >>>>>> Thanks for answer Kristian! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7 > >>>>>> here. From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla > >>>>>> because "you have used not recommended distribution". It's > >>>>>> normal practice for big vendors and I really scary about it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft > >>>>>> <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required? > >>>>>> You should be able to use CentOS as an OS? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will > >>>>>> actually give out recommendations and that Odin will support > >>>>>> their recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, Kristian Marcroft > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: > >>>>>>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to > >>>>>>>>> run open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro > >>>>>>>>> like CentOS or Debian where I can be sure about really > >>>>>>>>> _clean_ code from viruses and backdoors. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov > >>>>>>>>> <pavel.odint...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Hello, folks! > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I have just found this article: > >>>>>>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install > >>>>>>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running > >>>>>>>>>> open source OpenVZ. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license > >>>>>>>>>> for external license. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do > >>>>>>>>>> not want to buy additional tools from another company > >>>>>>>>>> which is completely not related with OpenVZ project. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> That's all. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ Users > >>>>>>> mailing list Users@openvz.org > >>>>>>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ Users mailing > >>>> list Users@openvz.org > >>>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1 > >> > >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVkmeKAAoJECFUP413Yj6jaTkH+QGiwPDNowd2BZXyLSb79UyB > >> sgPUN+VyIfU8F21XFQBWzYkHZSLniaTMQb22CDW5S6EROoaLKUyEyGzcwLGNCl7U > >> XJsExQZzOHZu/SOFLGsTZ/pOrdi/8IbrYqIP9OoqJMWJgj7mHTVv5eSdGMptnR/v > >> D4zDSYHEaptVKeTPConeyyv/yLpWWKUXu2fWLQ01hKotqC/OV611J6PBKKnB7stM > >> iyphjNHgOkWSWhagVVvkrUXgURd51tq9+zmyZr1s/v5pAIrgn5X8CkQ3Liu2dpEE > >> gLk15RMkAZiEhoKOMVcXYfc/eggx6M2d8fvdyZmaLeRDO+CJcVEaUF7zoihKw6k= > >> =yxHH > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Users mailing list > >> Users@openvz.org > >> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > > > -- > > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > > > > -- > Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@openvz.org > https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- https://openvz.org/Contribute _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@openvz.org https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
