Let me explain and answer on your questions (inline).
As we announced earlier we have following plan:
- publish source code of closed components from commercial product (Virtuozzo
aka PCS 6)
- publish RPM packages for each component
- publish test builds for Virtuozzo 7 distribution as installation ISO image
We made all our planned action items. Binary builds are available right now
and announce about it will follow (I believe this week).
Preferred and recommended way to use our containers is installation of
Virtuozzo 7 distribution on bare metal. Why we recommend to use
our own distribution?
- distribution includes kernel with additional patches for containers
which are still absent in vanilla kernels:
* ploop
* veth patches
* io limits
* iops limits
* new memory management for containers are in upstream,
but few patches are still not committed
* /dev/console
* virtualization of tmpfs
- Virtuozzo distribution includes Cloud Linux packages with our patches.
Sometimes during testing we found bugs which requires changes in
standard Linux components. In such situation we make patch and try to
put in upstream. It is quite long process, but we do our best to make it done.
Thus Cloud Linux is our upstream Linux distribution.
Examples of components with our patches:
* grub
* parted (global sync patch)
* upstart
* anaconda + pykickstart
* gcc
Again, we can only recommend to use Cloud Linux with our containers and virtual
machines but we cannot forbid you to use our tools with other Linux
distributions. Also you can build your own distribution with our VZ components
and name it for example "BolgenOS Containers". You can sell it and provide
support for money. It is a main idea of opensource - you can do with opensource
components everything you want, if these action doesn't violate license.
P.S. Cloud Linux is the same Linux distribution as RHEL, CentOS or
Scientific Linux. But we can rely on developers from Cloud Linux unlike
CentOS community or RedHat. SRPMs for Cloud Linux distribution are
public available. See http://koji.cloudlinux.com/cloudlinux/7/os/Sources/
So your complains about "closed Cloud Linux" are not acceptable.
On 12:01 Tue 30 Jun , Pavel Odintsov wrote:
> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and "it's
> not working yet".
>
> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work".
>
> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this time.
> Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do not like
> at all.
>
> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project".
>
> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to
> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world. And
> "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project, it's
> not true open source".
>
> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not like
> steps of Odin company and community manager here.
>
> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way to
> build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code
Really? Could you provide more details?
> 2) They offer closed source distribution with bunch of crap instead
> 3) They put bunch of code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os
> docs, manuals and any help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks
> and it's really HARD challenge.
Wow! Would be nice to hear your experience. Please share!
> 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not provide any references
> "How you can build template manually".
Ask not what OpenVZ can do for you but what you can do for OpenVZ?
We have quite limited engineering resources and huge plans for upcoming
Virtuozzo 7. For resources I mean smart people who works under Vz7 for money
and other staff which works for full time, make the best containers and
publish these work for everyone.
If you found something absent in open project you can implement it yourself.
> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean
> "doing open source".
> Open source is:
> 1) Share ideas
https://openvz.org/Wishlist
More ideas will come with OpenVZ Jira. We are preparing it right now
and will migrate all OpenVZ issues from Bugzilla to Jira soon.
> 2) Offer help and documentation
What kind of help do you expect?
We plan to publish documentation for Vz7, but it will be quite
similar to PCS 6 documentation published on site
http://www.odin.com/products/virtuozzo/documentation/
> 3) Mind about community, not about commercial success.
Sure. It was a reason why we gathered community feedback in
OpenVZ survey.
> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing Virtuozzo
> better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad.
Thanks for your oppinion.
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote:
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> > Hi,
> >
> > CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released.
> > As far as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the
> > RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment.
> >
> > Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will change
> > with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kristian
> >
> >
> >
> > Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
> >> Thanks for answer Kristian!
> >>
> >> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7 here.
> >> From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla because "you
> >> have used not recommended distribution". It's normal practice for
> >> big vendors and I really scary about it.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft
> >> <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi,
> >>
> >> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required? You
> >> should be able to use CentOS as an OS?
> >>
> >> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will actually
> >> give out recommendations and that Odin will support their
> >> recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo.
> >>
> >> Regards, Kristian Marcroft
> >>
> >> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov:
> >>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to run
> >>>>> open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro like CentOS
> >>>>> or Debian where I can be sure about really _clean_ code from
> >>>>> viruses and backdoors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov
> >>>>> <pavel.odint...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello, folks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have just found this article:
> >>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install
> >>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running open
> >>>>>> source OpenVZ.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license for
> >>>>>> external license.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do not want
> >>>>>> to buy additional tools from another company which is
> >>>>>> completely not related with OpenVZ project.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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