Thank you so much for support :) Really, I want to do more with OpenVZ and really want to get new features from RHEL7 kernel.
And I have full understanding of this very long and deep process. And we need so huge time (one or two years) for stable RHEL7 release. Thats why I want to build "test env" in my Company ASAP for help OpenVZ team with bug hunting and load testing. But I can't do it without documentation. That's my main complain and main idea of all this speech. On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kristian Marcroft <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > I think you are personally expecting to much in to short time. > Actually I think that most of the stuff shared publicly is not > finished yet. But you now have the chance to at least look into some > stuff Odin is doing and maybe even the community can help to create > documentation. > > You will also have to respect, that Odin still has a commercial > interest behind all of this. > > Basically nothing is changing. > > The Kernel base of OpenVZ has always been the base for Virtuozzo (or > the other way round?) > > Now Odin is starting to release some tools and more features. > Instead of bulling them to do more, you should remember that as far as > I know there are only limited resources provided by Odin and most > contributions are actually also done in their free time. > > Currently, the stable version is CentOS 6 with RHEL-6 based Kernel. > You can stick with that and just wait until the rest matures. > > I do understand you want to use a recent OS such as CentOS 7, but that > is not ready for use yet. That's what one would call development in > progress I guess :) > > So just give it all a bit more time and all will be fine. > > Regards, > Kristian > > > > Am 30.06.2015 um 11:01 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: >> Very hard to run something now... So much "if" / "should" and >> "it's not working yet". >> >> I prefer wait until time "when everything will be work". >> >> Actually there are no profit from open sourcing project at this >> time. Because so much "heritage" from Commercial world which I do >> not like at all. >> >> I do not want to be part of "test monkeys for commercial project". >> >> I want to be part of community and I want to contribute to >> community.But it's real nightmare because I'm from another world. >> And "closed CloudLinux" means for me "keep away from this project, >> it's not true open source". >> >> Finally, I really appreciate moving to open source. But I do not >> like steps of Odin company and community manager here. >> >> 1) They offer test kernels with no sources. I.e. there are no way >> to build RHEL7 kernel manually from open code 2) They offer closed >> source distribution with bunch of crap instead 3) They put bunch of >> code to src.openvz.org but this code lacks os docs, manuals and any >> help! We tried to build few tools for few weeks and it's really >> HARD challenge. 4) They offer "Debian 8 templates" but do not >> provide any references "How you can build template manually". >> >> Odin, folks. If you put code to somewhere in Internet do not mean >> "doing open source". >> >> Open source is: >> >> 1) Share ideas 2) Offer help and documentation 3) Mind about >> community, not about commercial success. >> >> I really can spent my time and my engineers time for doing >> Virtuozzo better but you do not hear me. Unfortunately. Very sad. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Kristian Marcroft >> <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi, >> >> CentOS 7 should be supported once Virtuozzo 7 is released. As far >> as I know Odin is porting their OpenVZ/Virtuozzo patches to the >> RHEL 7 Kernel at the moment. >> >> Currently they use RHEL 6/Cloud Linux 6 as a base. This will >> change with Virtuozzo 7. This is what the Versions actually mean. >> >> Regards, Kristian >> >> >> >> Am 30.06.2015 um 10:29 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: >>>>> Thanks for answer Kristian! >>>>> >>>>> But my question about another case. I can't find CentOS 7 >>>>> here. From my opinion it means I can't send bugs to bugzilla >>>>> because "you have used not recommended distribution". It's >>>>> normal practice for big vendors and I really scary about it. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kristian Marcroft >>>>> <k...@kwm-web.info> wrote: Hi, >>>>> >>>>> that page indicated it is recommended, not it's required? >>>>> You should be able to use CentOS as an OS? >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that will change. I do think that Odin will >>>>> actually give out recommendations and that Odin will support >>>>> their recommendations in their commercial Product Virtuozzo. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Kristian Marcroft >>>>> >>>>> Am 30.06.2015 um 09:57 schrieb Pavel Odintsov: >>>>>>>> Actually I want to make feature request for ability to >>>>>>>> run open source OpenVZ on normal open source distro >>>>>>>> like CentOS or Debian where I can be sure about really >>>>>>>> _clean_ code from viruses and backdoors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Pavel Odintsov >>>>>>>> <pavel.odint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello, folks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have just found this article: >>>>>>>>> https://openvz.org/OpenVZ_with_upstream_kernel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And I enough upset with it because I need to install >>>>>>>>> Commercial Paid Software (CloudLinux) for running >>>>>>>>> open source OpenVZ. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From my point of view, it's not OK to ask for license >>>>>>>>> for external license. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I could buy something from Odin/Parallels but I do >>>>>>>>> not want to buy additional tools from another company >>>>>>>>> which is completely not related with OpenVZ project. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ Users >>>>>> mailing list Users@openvz.org >>>>>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ Users mailing >>> list Users@openvz.org >>> https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVkmeKAAoJECFUP413Yj6jaTkH+QGiwPDNowd2BZXyLSb79UyB > sgPUN+VyIfU8F21XFQBWzYkHZSLniaTMQb22CDW5S6EROoaLKUyEyGzcwLGNCl7U > XJsExQZzOHZu/SOFLGsTZ/pOrdi/8IbrYqIP9OoqJMWJgj7mHTVv5eSdGMptnR/v > D4zDSYHEaptVKeTPConeyyv/yLpWWKUXu2fWLQ01hKotqC/OV611J6PBKKnB7stM > iyphjNHgOkWSWhagVVvkrUXgURd51tq9+zmyZr1s/v5pAIrgn5X8CkQ3Liu2dpEE > gLk15RMkAZiEhoKOMVcXYfc/eggx6M2d8fvdyZmaLeRDO+CJcVEaUF7zoihKw6k= > =yxHH > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@openvz.org > https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- Sincerely yours, Pavel Odintsov _______________________________________________ Users mailing list Users@openvz.org https://lists.openvz.org/mailman/listinfo/users
