> BTW, I've been using linux as my primary desktop for over 10 years.
> Gnome3 is ill suited to the work I have to do. Can someone explain to
> me the advantage of not being able to minimize an application ? It's
> not workable.
You can still minimize apps - right-click on the title bar, and cli
On 06/22/2011 09:47 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 06/22/2011 05:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> to believe you can force users permanently switch their Desktop Environment
>> without lose them for the whole platform is very naive!
>
> I switched from Gnome to XFCE because I disliked almost everything I
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 06/22/2011 01:36 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
>>
>> Would it be possible/practical for me to create an updated install ISO
>> with the new anaconda once it's available? All of my main machines
>> have 2-4GB of memory but I'd like to create
On 06/22/2011 01:36 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> Would it be possible/practical for me to create an updated install ISO
> with the new anaconda once it's available? All of my main machines
> have 2-4GB of memory but I'd like to create a USB installer for my
> netbook w/ 512MB.
>
> Thanks,
> Richa
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> There are other ways to install Fedora and to be clear, this is a
> temporary problem. Anaconda team already has patches to bring it down
> again which didn't get merged for Fedora 15 because the problem was
> discovered late in the release
On 06/22/2011 05:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> to believe you can force users permanently switch their Desktop Environment
> without lose them for the whole platform is very naive!
I switched from Gnome to XFCE because I disliked almost everything I
heard about Gnome 3 and lost nothing. All of m
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:55:45AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:37:17 -0400
> Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>
> > Quite frankly, I'd question the sanity of someone who actually was
> > installing a full blown Fedora installation on a system with only 512M.
> > ;)
>
> Which is why
On 06/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/22/2011 07:22 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
>> There are still cases where it would be useful to install an up-to-date
>> general
>> purpose distribution on hardware that would be deemed "underpowered" by this
>> definition (some of the cute little
On 06/22/2011 07:25 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Which is why I always wonder why the default ram size when
> installing a virtual machine with virt-manager is always 512M :-)
> (I always change it to 1G).
That would indeed be a more reasonable default. Have you filed a RFE?
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On 06/22/2011 07:22 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> There are still cases where it would be useful to install an up-to-date
> general
> purpose distribution on hardware that would be deemed "underpowered" by this
> definition (some of the cute little atom and other bittyboxes for e.g).
>
> I understan
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:37:17 -0400
Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> Quite frankly, I'd question the sanity of someone who actually was
> installing a full blown Fedora installation on a system with only 512M.
> ;)
Which is why I always wonder why the default ram size when
installing a virtual machine wi
On 06/22/2011 02:37 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:21:07PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>>> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't.
>>
>> It won't even install on a machine with 512Mb, so yes it requires high
>> end hardware by many people's measurements.
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:34:48PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> > For someone that conservative about their desktop I don't image they
> > would be taking on an upgrade like this since it _does_ change some
> > fundamentals.
> >
> > It's equally (or even moreso) unreasonable to expect everybody t
Am 22.06.2011 15:37, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:21:07PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
>>> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't.
>>
>> It won't even install on a machine with 512Mb, so yes it requires high
>> end hardware by many people's measurements
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:21:07PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't.
>
> It won't even install on a machine with 512Mb, so yes it requires high
> end hardware by many people's measurements.
I _really_ don't consider having more than 512M on
Am 22.06.2011 15:29, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:16:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 22.06.2011 14:09, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
>>> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't. You can
>>> run other desktops, such as XFCE (which you mention as
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:56:40PM +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> > But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't. You can
> > run other desktops, such as XFCE (which you mention as well), and still
> > run all of the same apps.
> >
> > So while Gnome 3 may require better video hardware th
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:16:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 22.06.2011 14:09, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
> > But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't. You can
> > run other desktops, such as XFCE (which you mention as well), and still
> > run all of the same apps.
>
>
> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't.
It won't even install on a machine with 512Mb, so yes it requires high
end hardware by many people's measurements.
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On 06/22/2011 02:12 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> On 06/22/2011 01:09 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't. You can
>> run other desktops, such as XFCE (which you mention as well), and still
>> run all of the same apps.
>>
>> So while Gnome 3 m
Am 22.06.2011 15:06, schrieb Richard Shaw:
> Unless something has changed I remember reading a thread where Fedora
> 15 is the first release where 512MB of memory is not enough for an
> install, which means unless I upgrade, my netbook is stuck at F14
this installer is quite dumb because he can
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
[SNIP]
> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't. You can
> run other desktops, such as XFCE (which you mention as well), and still
> run all of the same apps.
>
> So while Gnome 3 may require better video hardware tha
On 20 June 2011 17:59, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 02:23 +0930, Tim wrote:
>> Is a corporation going to want to spend $100 per graphics card per PC,
>> so that the default Gnome 3 actually works, or are they going to
>> continue to only want to put in the $20 graphics card? (
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 08:09 -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:56:35AM +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> > > Corporate and home users are already being expected (by that company in
> > > Redmond) to upgrade to higher end hardware for their latest offerings as
> > > well. The difference
Am 22.06.2011 14:09, schrieb Darryl L. Pierce:
> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't. You can
> run other desktops, such as XFCE (which you mention as well), and still
> run all of the same apps.
to believe you can force users permanently switch their Desktop Environme
On 06/22/2011 01:09 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't. You can
> run other desktops, such as XFCE (which you mention as well), and still
> run all of the same apps.
>
> So while Gnome 3 may require better video hardware than was available
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:56:35AM +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> > Corporate and home users are already being expected (by that company in
> > Redmond) to upgrade to higher end hardware for their latest offerings as
> > well. The difference is that Fedora has fallback functionality that
> > works without t
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 08:28 -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:23:51AM +0930, Tim wrote:
> > Is a corporation going to want to spend $100 per graphics card per PC,
> > so that the default Gnome 3 actually works, or are they going to
> > continue to only want to put in the $
On 06/21/2011 06:28 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>I'd be very wary of 3rd party extensions - the API is not guaranteed
> to be stable and the extensions live outside of gnome core - so they may
> break at any time - unless they are released and tested as part of core
> it seems like bad advice to
On 06/21/2011 04:39 AM, Steve Searle wrote:
>
> If you install gnome-shell-extentions-alternate-tab this will revert
> alt-tab to the old behaviour, without the need to vertically switch when
> you have more than one instance of an application.
>
>
I'd be very wary of 3rd party extensions -
On 06/21/2011 12:53 AM, Tim wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 10:44 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
>> seen discussed on this list.
>>
>> Gnome2 is totally mouse oriented. Everything you want to do you do
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:23:51AM +0930, Tim wrote:
> Is a corporation going to want to spend $100 per graphics card per PC,
> so that the default Gnome 3 actually works, or are they going to
> continue to only want to put in the $20 graphics card? (That just won't
> work with the new all-singing
On 06/20/2011 05:44 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
> seen discussed on this list.
>
> Gnome2 is totally mouse oriented. Everything you want to do you do by
> moving the mouse and clicking. Obviously I am rerring t
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 07:05 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> This Gnome 3 isn't a replacement for Gnome 2, it is an entirely
> different product with a completely different target audience.
>
> To me it's like my favorite take-away pizza store having stopped
> shipping pizza and now selling burge
This might become one of those never ending discussions,
if somebody does not end the thread, but I feel like having
'my' last word, so here goes:
I think it is almost impossible to design a "desktop" that the
vast majority of users is comfortable with, certainly if you cannot
arrange for large sc
On 06/21/2011 09:39 AM, Steve Searle wrote:
> Around 04:47am on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 (UK time), Mark Eggers scrawled:
>
>> My only issue with alt-tab is when I have more than one window open
>> for a particular program. I then have to use the arrow keys to select
>> the right window.
>
> If you
Around 04:47am on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 (UK time), Mark Eggers scrawled:
> My only issue with alt-tab is when I have more than one window open
> for a particular program. I then have to use the arrow keys to select
> the right window.
If you install gnome-shell-extentions-alternate-tab this will
On 06/20/2011 11:00 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote:
>
>> On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>
>>> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
>>> seen discussed o
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:38:46 -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote:
> On 06/20/2011 03:00 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>>
>>> > There is a paradi
On 06/20/2011 05:38 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote:
> On 06/20/2011 03:00 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>>
>>>> There is a paradigm shift go
On 06/20/2011 06:02 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> You mean you don't all have a frequent mousing miles
> reward program?
Maybe I could use it for the doctor bill :/
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You mean you don't all have a frequent mousing miles
reward program?
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On 06/21/2011 08:38 AM, Stuart McGraw wrote:
> But one that requires far more mouse motion and clicks
> than Gnome 2 to do the same operation.
>
> >From poking around in the Gnome 3 design docs it is
> becoming clear to me that no one has actually done
> any real usability testing on Gnome 3 or qu
On 06/20/2011 03:00 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote:
>
>> On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>
>> > There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
>> > seen discusse
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote:
> On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
> > seen discussed on this list.
> I too noted the mouse deprecation in Gnome 3. Besides
&g
On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
> seen discussed on this list.
>
> Gnome2 is totally mouse oriented. Everything you want to do you do by
> moving the mouse and clicking. Obviously I am rerring t
On 06/20/2011 11:53 AM, Tim wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 10:44 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
>> seen discussed on this list.
>>
>> Gnome2 is totally mouse oriented. Everything you want to do you do
On 06/20/2011 09:59 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Despite how flashy things look, the Gnome folks did a really quite
> impressive job of limiting the hardware requirements to a very
> reasonable set of 3D functions that should be present on most machines
> built in the last four years at least.
A
On 06/20/2011 09:53 AM, Tim wrote:
> Likewise, the*average* home user faces the same quandary, and most
> people buy underpowered computers.
Actually, the graphics on most computers are only underpowered if you're
into hardcore gaming or you're a graphics designer. For the rest of us,
the grap
On Tue, 2011-06-21 at 02:23 +0930, Tim wrote:
> Is a corporation going to want to spend $100 per graphics card per PC,
> so that the default Gnome 3 actually works, or are they going to
> continue to only want to put in the $20 graphics card? (That just won't
> work with the new all-singing, all-d
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 10:44 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
> seen discussed on this list.
>
> Gnome2 is totally mouse oriented. Everything you want to do you do by
> moving the mouse and clicking. Obviously
There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not
seen discussed on this list.
Gnome2 is totally mouse oriented. Everything you want to do you do by
moving the mouse and clicking. Obviously I am rerring to Gnome2 itself
not applications.
However, in Gnome3 a large fraction
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