Re: dumb question [on scripting]

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 11:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: But not as clever, I'll bet, as Mel, the Real Programmer: http://foldoc.org/The+story+of+Mel,+a+Real+Programmer Joe: Read the link and throughly enjoyed it. And you are quite correct, I was "not as clever" But, to be fair, I didn't pull any comparsions

Re: dumb question [on scripting]

2012-01-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/04/2012 11:27 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: My machine code was when there was nothing else and my assembler was in the early video games days where all you got was a 4K cartridge and most of the time was spent trying to pack a much larger program into that bloody cartridge. But assembler wa

Re: About expelling "Linda" and similar people

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 9:32 PM, Claude Jones wrote: On 01/05/2012 12:15 AM, pringle...@gmail.com wrote: please please just sent me a mail to know, and to not make the mistake again. 'Linda', whoever that may be, obviously craved attention, and many have complied ... and by you replying and my follow

Re: dumb question [on scripting]

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[inline] On 1/4/2012 10:08 PM, g wrote: 'wiz kids' of today have no concept of what 'the good old days' where like. That may be a blessing as quite a few of the good old day were really bad old days. you had things easier than i because you worked 'mainframe' where you at least had someone

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/2012 02:59 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: OK Trimming a bit. You are on the client...and you did a telnet to the client's port 2049 and you got a connection... > > > On client (pvr) > root@pvr[159]->telnet pvr 2049 > Trying 192.168.10.4... > Connected to pvr. > Escape character is

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/04/2012 10:34:48 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 22:22 -0800, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > On 01/04/2012 09:23:58 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 01/05/2012 01:13 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > > > On 01/04/2012 08:55:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > >> On 01/05/2012 12:49 PM, Geoffre

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/2012 02:22 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > AFAIK you have the correct info -- sorry. Somehow I've done something > to confuse the server as to who's who. Any thoughts there? Well I'd first start off by not using hostnames for testing. I'd go to 192.168.10.2 and verify that the IP addre

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 22:22 -0800, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > On 01/04/2012 09:23:58 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 01/05/2012 01:13 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > > On 01/04/2012 08:55:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > >> On 01/05/2012 12:49 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > >>> On 01/04/2012 08:31:19 PM, Ed Gre

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/04/2012 09:23:58 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/05/2012 01:13 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > On 01/04/2012 08:55:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 01/05/2012 12:49 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > >>> On 01/04/2012 08:31:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/05/2012 12:15 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: >

Re: dumb question [on scripting]

2012-01-04 Thread g
On 01/05/2012 12:38 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: <> > I was there in ancient times and I'd rather have the current flood of > information that requires much winnowing and sifting to find what is > needed than the days of minimal info ... and the only way you stood a > chance of getting an answ

Re: About expelling "Linda" and similar people

2012-01-04 Thread Claude Jones
On 01/05/2012 12:15 AM, pringle...@gmail.com wrote: please please just sent me a mail to know, and to not make the mistake again. 'Linda', whoever that may be, obviously craved attention, and many have complied -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraprojec

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/2012 01:13 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > On 01/04/2012 08:55:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 01/05/2012 12:49 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: >>> On 01/04/2012 08:31:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 01/05/2012 12:15 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: Quick question while I ponder You

Re: About expelling "Linda" and similar people

2012-01-04 Thread pringle...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:38 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 21:29:45 PM +0100, Patrick Lists wrote: > > On 04-01-12 20:08, JB wrote: > > > >I think this list should not be moderated at all because as I > > >already said it can be easily manipulated into killing it. > > ... > > IMO t

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/04/2012 08:55:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/05/2012 12:49 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > On 01/04/2012 08:31:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 01/05/2012 12:15 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > >> > >> Quick question while I ponder > >> > >> You have 2 systems, pvr and mtranch. Which is the "

Problems with vsftpd on Fedora 16

2012-01-04 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
Was trying to setup vsftp on a system in my classroom, and have run into a few issues. Started the vsftpd, but it would not let one log in with correct user id and password. Found solution by adding /bin/bash to the /etc/shells But then would get error that it couldn't change to users director

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/2012 12:49 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > On 01/04/2012 08:31:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 01/05/2012 12:15 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: >> >> Quick question while I ponder >> >> You have 2 systems, pvr and mtranch. Which is the "server" and which >> is >> the "client"? >> >> I thought mt

24 hour time showing when AM/PM setting

2012-01-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz
OK. NOW what is Gnome doing??? Settings show that I have selected AM/PM for time, it was showing AM/PM previously but now the time in the middle of the top line is in 24 hr time. ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: htt

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/04/2012 06:29 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:23:30PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: This line appears twice, so I commented them both out. We will see what happens on the next reboot... tip: alt+f2, type "r", enter, wait a bit And what, pray tell, does 'r' do? --

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/04/2012 08:31:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/05/2012 12:15 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > Quick question while I ponder > > You have 2 systems, pvr and mtranch. Which is the "server" and which > is > the "client"? > > I thought mtranch was the server and pvr was the client. Yet, bel

About expelling "Linda" and similar people

2012-01-04 Thread M. Fioretti
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 21:29:45 PM +0100, Patrick Lists wrote: > On 04-01-12 20:08, JB wrote: > >I think this list should not be moderated at all because as I > >already said it can be easily manipulated into killing it. > ... > IMO that Linda person is killing this list As far as "Linda" is concer

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Alan Cox writes: The forums on the other hand seem to be booming - which is good, and perhaps as much a demographic and technological shift as anything else ? I think that's true. Personally, I prefer email, but I have to admit that email, as a communication platform, is losing mindshare.

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/2012 12:15 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: Quick question while I ponder You have 2 systems, pvr and mtranch. Which is the "server" and which is the "client"? I thought mtranch was the server and pvr was the client. Yet, below suggests otherwise. > Telnet testing > > Server: > # telnet

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/04/2012 05:08:41 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 13:21 -0800, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > On 01/02/2012 04:02:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > >> ** On server > > > > > > systemctl is-enabled nfs-lock.service > > > systemctl is-enabled nfs-server.service > > > systemctl is-en

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/04/2012 05:36:01 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/05/2012 05:21 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > Connection refused, as before No actual output from the client, as > I'm > > reduced to sneakernet at this point. > > To add to what Craig has said. (reminder, don't forget to > restart > idmapd

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2012-01-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2012 03:02, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 10:01, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: >> Understanding how the file abstraction works is to my mind a question of >> basic culture around here. As a piece of engineering design balancing >> functional elegance with practicalit

[ALREADY SOLVED BUT THANKS FOR REPLY:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[inline:] On 1/4/2012 6:00 PM, Mark LaPierre wrote: Hey Paul, If you want a file to be executable it must be +x. If the file is read as input to another program it needs not be +x. I've always known that to execute a file, it must be "+x". If I am not directly executing it, who needs the

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2012-01-04 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 09:01, Tim wrote: > You probably want to research into "sparse files." Thanks Tim, One learns something every day. I had read about sparse files but never used them, since I come from an IBM 32-bit OS/2 (HPFS) background which I used for almost a full decade (1992-2002) a

Re: F16 unusable while writing to pendrive

2012-01-04 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 10:01, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Understanding how the file abstraction works is to my mind a question of > basic culture around here. As a piece of engineering design balancing > functional elegance with practicality it's a wonderful thing to > contemplate and a key ele

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 01/04/2012 02:19 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: To the list: I am dealing with a primary Fedora machine and a alternate WinXP under cygwin. Cygwin always screw up the permissions when I drag stuff over to it and then bring it back to the Fedora box. I've got scripts to handle making things righ

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread jdow
On 2012/01/04 13:29, JB wrote: Patrick Lists puzzled.xs4all.nl> writes: On 04-01-12 20:08, JB wrote: I think this list should not be moderated at all because as I already said it can be easily manipulated into killing it. IMO that Linda person is killing this list and with the baseless pe

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/05/2012 05:21 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > Connection refused, as before No actual output from the client, as I'm > reduced to sneakernet at this point. To add to what Craig has said. (reminder, don't forget to restart idmapd after changes to the config) Could you post exactly what you

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 16:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/04/2012 04:17 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > > Though I can't stand the MS world of extensions meaning something, I > > can't imagine not using extensions to help understand what is there. > > The system shouldn't give a damn, but the use

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 23:50 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/04/2012 09:18 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > about this user, who's now being moderated. > > Bummer. > > I never paid any attention to what Linda had to say. It was *way* more > fun reading reactions to her posts. :-) agreed.

Re: [LOCATE ISSUE SOLVED:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 5:06 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:59:29PM -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: I've always tried to make sure everything is lowest common denominator between Microsoft and Linux unless there is a good reason. I learned the hard way the first time I had to port from Lin

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 21:29 +0100, Patrick Lists wrote: > On 04-01-12 20:08, JB wrote: > > I think this list should not be moderated at all because as I already said > > it > > can be easily manipulated into killing it. > > IMO that Linda person is killing this list and with the baseless > perso

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 13:21 -0800, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > On 01/02/2012 04:02:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> ** On server > > > > systemctl is-enabled nfs-lock.service > > systemctl is-enabled nfs-server.service > > systemctl is-enabled nfs-idmap.service > > nfs-idmap.service loaded

Re: [LOCATE ISSUE SOLVED:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:59:29PM -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > I've always tried to make sure everything is lowest common > denominator between Microsoft and Linux unless there is a good > reason. I learned the hard way the first time I had to port from > Linux to Microsoft. I really dislike

Re: [LOCATE ISSUE SOLVED:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[inline] On 1/4/2012 4:08 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: Just be aware if you've any directory paths with funny characters in them--especially spaces (think Microsoft files hosted on your filesystem)--xargs has kittens. There are ways around that, but. I've always tried to make sure everything is low

Re: dumb question [on scripting]

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 4:21 PM, g wrote: i can understand. it takes time. just consider what it was like in 70's when i started learning micro cpu's and unix, as well as others, when there was no internet as it is today. I was there in ancient times and I'd rather have the current flood of information th

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alan Cox wrote: > The forums on the other hand seem to be booming - which is good, and > perhaps as much a demographic and technological shift as anything else ? Dear Alan, I usually follow your advice, and when I read your earlier praise of the fedoraforum, I took a look there. (I take it you w

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread g
On 01/04/2012 11:58 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: <> > I never knew there was a man page for '.' -=- to be 'politically' correct, there is not. > am starting to read it now, thanks -=- actually, if you read top most line at start, you will see that you are reading 'BASH_BUILTINS'. -- peace

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Cameron Simpson
Alan Cox wrote: | >> > Most people already left for fedora forum and the like. The list is | >> > basically not managed so its useless. If you want to fix that you need | >> > to take it up with the fedora board I believe. Shrug - not useless to me. I find delete-thread very effective, leaving the

Re: dumb question [on scripting]

2012-01-04 Thread g
On 01/04/2012 11:28 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: <> On 1/4/2012 1:36 PM, g wrote: >> On 01/04/2012 08:22 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> <> >> >> -=- >> >> in addition to; >> >>[man|info] . >> >> have a look at; >> >>[man|info] make >> >>[man|info] bash >> >>[man|info] tcsh >> >>

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
JB wrote: > That is not to say that ""Linda"'s actions should be ignored. > But we should not throw out the baby with the water. First you throw out > a trouuble maker, later your "opponent", and after a w hile you are the > only one left on the list. > We can survive "Linda" on this list. I don'

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/04/2012 02:01 PM, Steve Searle wrote: Assuming you mean the accessibility icon. This is how I do it. Edit /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/panel.js and comment out the 'a11y': imports.ui.status.accessibility.ATIndicator line. This is one of the things I like about Linux: there's almost alway

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/04/2012 01:53 PM, Alan Cox wrote: The forums on the other hand seem to be booming - which is good, and perhaps as much a demographic and technological shift as anything else ? I've been on the fedora forum since October, 2007, long before I discovered this list. I find them both useful

Moving to Forums (was Re: [Linda's mistake about a] Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:51:05 + > Richard Hughes wrote: > >> On 3 January 2012 23:05, Linda McLeod wrote: (Would have elided that, but is there a real .fm TLD?) >> > users mailing list >> > users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> >> Either the moder

Re: [LOCATE ISSUE SOLVED:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:51:01PM -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Your suggestion regarding xargs helped. This is the second time its > been suggested to me and I am going to go off and read about it as I > get a sense it will make my life alot easier. Just be aware if you've any directory path

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 1:22 PM, g wrote: On 01/04/2012 08:06 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: <> If you want them to be directly executable, yes. But if you call them as input to a shell they need not be. -=- in addition, run this; man . that will give you some more insight to executing files. I never kn

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Joel Rees
Linda, I share your concern for the internet. But you need to learn how to use a search engine properly before you start finding shadows in the mailing list here. Basically, you got upset over one Neal Becker and shot (metaphorically) another. Admitted, the shot was (metaphorically) a paint bullet

[LOCATE ISSUE SOLVED:] Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 1:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: They're quite different but overlap to some extent. 'find' is the reliable way of searching the current system according to a whole bunch of criteria (man find). 'locate' just does a quick search on a database which is updated regularly (usually ni

Re: VGA Card with Dual Monitor

2012-01-04 Thread Peter Boy
Am Dienstag, den 03.01.2012, 20:53 +0800 schrieb Koh Choon Lin: > I would soon be building a desktop for trading with dual monitors (not > cloned). I would like to ask which graphic card works with dual > monitor function (and has 2 DVI output) and is supported by the Linux > kernel without the nee

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 1:36 PM, g wrote: On 01/04/2012 08:22 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: <> -=- in addition to; [man|info] . have a look at; [man|info] make [man|info] bash [man|info] tcsh *note* .sh = bash .csh = tcsh to save your self time, try running '[man|info] word/comma

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:23:30PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > This line appears twice, so I commented them both out. We will see > what happens on the next reboot... tip: alt+f2, type "r", enter, wait a bit -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscri

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/04/2012 05:01 PM, Steve Searle wrote: Around 09:16pm on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 (UK time), Robert Moskowitz scrawled: On 01/04/2012 04:04 PM, William Case wrote: How do I get rid of the Universal Access icon in the upper right hand corner/panel? Googled but seems every distribution

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 1:40 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Read "man locate" again then and more carefully? Pay extra attention to the first sentence? ;-) I did, but the light didn't go off in head until I read poc's follow-up email, which I will respond to shortly. Thanks, Paul -- users mailing list us

Re: dumb question -- dumber subject line

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 1:49 PM, g wrote: On 01/04/2012 09:36 PM, g wrote: <> what is _dumb_ is using just 'dumb question' as the only wording in "Subject:" line. if you ran a google search with "Subject: dumb question" as search parameter, you would get hits in millions, if not billions. "Subject: ques

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Steve Searle
Around 09:16pm on Wednesday, January 04, 2012 (UK time), Robert Moskowitz scrawled: > On 01/04/2012 04:04 PM, William Case wrote: > >How do I get rid of the Universal Access icon in the upper right hand > >corner/panel? Googled but seems every distribution has a different > >answer. How do I ge

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Alan Cox
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:56:24 -0430 "Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote: > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 13:23 +, Alan Cox wrote: > > > No doubt some people have done so, but "most people"? Do you have > > > information on this? Enquiring minds want to know. > > > > Plot graphs of active contributors to this

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread g
On 01/04/2012 09:36 PM, g wrote: <> an addition to give you something to consider... there is no such thing as a 'dumb question'. when unsure about something, one should always ask questions to prevent making 'dumb errors' and 'dumb mistakes'. what is _dumb_ is using just 'dumb question' as the

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:19:51 -0800, PAN (Paul) wrote: > On 1/4/2012 4:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > I know you and Ed (and Marvin) have been round the block on this, but if > > you'll allow an oldie to sum up: > > > > Makefiles are not normally executables, in fact they aren't normally

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread g
On 01/04/2012 08:22 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: <> > And that's the confusion on my end. You are stating that Marvin says > "make it +x" and you are saying it doesn't need to be. I asked this dumb > question to find out how I should treat this situation regardless of > "what works". Its about

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 13:19 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 1/4/2012 4:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > I know you and Ed (and Marvin) have been round the block on this, but if > > you'll allow an oldie to sum up: > > > > Makefiles are not normally executables, in fact they aren't nor

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Patrick Lists
On 04-01-12 22:10, g wrote: besides, do you really think that what shows up with simple a google search is going to be all that is run? A company that does background checks told me that cutting corners is exactly what happens in their industry. A quick Google? Check. Searched Facebook? Check

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 22:10 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:04:16PM -0500, William Case wrote: > > How do I get rid of the Universal Access icon in the upper right hand > > corner/panel? Googled but seems every distribution has a different > > answer. How do I get rid of

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread JB
Patrick Lists puzzled.xs4all.nl> writes: > > On 04-01-12 20:08, JB wrote: > > I think this list should not be moderated at all because as I already said > > it > > can be easily manipulated into killing it. > > IMO that Linda person is killing this list and with the baseless > personal attack

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 13:23 +, Alan Cox wrote: > > No doubt some people have done so, but "most people"? Do you have > > information on this? Enquiring minds want to know. > > Plot graphs of active contributors to this list and their active time > on > the list before leaving, compare with the

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread g
On 01/04/2012 08:06 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: <> > If you want them to be directly executable, yes. But if you call them > as input to a shell they need not be. -=- in addition, run this; man . that will give you some more insight to executing files. -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please r

Re: Error mount NFS -- nfs4_get_rootfh

2012-01-04 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 01/02/2012 04:02:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 01/03/2012 06:20 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > On 01/02/2012 01:19:37 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 01/03/2012 02:51 AM, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > >>> mount -v -v -v -t nfs4 mtranch://nfs4exports/home /mtranch-home > >> Cats having me up for a moment

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 4:38 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I know you and Ed (and Marvin) have been round the block on this, but if you'll allow an oldie to sum up: Makefiles are not normally executables, in fact they aren't normally Shell scripts. Therefore they don't need to have the +x attribute. It's

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.01.2012 22:10, schrieb g: > > On 01/04/2012 07:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote: > <> > >> Not yet, but can't wait to say, apply for a job, or a loan, and have >> someone google me and this shows up. > -=- > > i did, just for more laughs, look at links Linda post and i did note that > search par

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 01/04/2012 04:04 PM, William Case wrote: How do I get rid of the Universal Access icon in the upper right hand corner/panel? Googled but seems every distribution has a different answer. How do I get rid of it in Fedora 16, preferably using the icon-manage extension in dconf-editor if there i

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread g
On 01/04/2012 07:54 PM, Neal Becker wrote: <> > Not yet, but can't wait to say, apply for a job, or a loan, and have > someone google me and this shows up. -=- i did, just for more laughs, look at links Linda post and i did note that search params where not full and correct. if that is among yo

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:04:16PM -0500, William Case wrote: > How do I get rid of the Universal Access icon in the upper right hand > corner/panel? Googled but seems every distribution has a different > answer. How do I get rid of it in Fedora 16, preferably using the > icon-manage extension in

gdm with smartcards on Fedora 16

2012-01-04 Thread Anthony R Fletcher
With Fedora 16 I don't see how to enable smartcard logins for GDM. I have pcscd and openct working and /etc/pam_pkcs11/pam_pkcs11.conf correctly configured to use opensc. pklogin_finder returns the right things and I can log in at the console login prompt. I have gdm-3.2.1.1-8.fc16.x86_64 install

Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread William Case
Hi; How do I get rid of the Universal Access icon in the upper right hand corner/panel? Googled but seems every distribution has a different answer. How do I get rid of it in Fedora 16, preferably using the icon-manage extension in dconf-editor if there is such away. Nothing I have tried seems

Re: dumb question

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 4:04 AM, JB wrote: Paul Allen Newell cs.cmu.edu> writes: Sleep well, the polarity is still intact :-) Would the following be helpful ? # ls -l /etc/init.d/network -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 7448 Feb 25 2011 /etc/init.d/network # file /etc/init.d/network /etc/init.d/network: Bourne

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alan Cox wrote: >> > Most people already left for fedora forum and the like. The list is >> > basically not managed so its useless. If you want to fix that you need >> > to take it up with the fedora board I believe. >> >> No doubt some people have done so, but "most people"? Do you have >> infor

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Patrick Lists
On 04-01-12 20:08, JB wrote: I think this list should not be moderated at all because as I already said it can be easily manipulated into killing it. IMO that Linda person is killing this list and with the baseless personal attack on Neal this Linda person has shown to be a threat to the repu

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread jdow
On 2012/01/04 12:05, Paul Allen Newell wrote: On 1/4/2012 11:08 AM, JB wrote: I am for restoring "Linda" to her full list membership, w/o moderation. JB a big "-1" (as in "no") --- this is one of the few times I would consider blinking html (smile) Until she grows up and performs her "res

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 1/4/2012 11:08 AM, JB wrote: I am for restoring "Linda" to her full list membership, w/o moderation. JB a big "-1" (as in "no") --- this is one of the few times I would consider blinking html (smile) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscripti

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Neal Becker
g wrote: > > On 01/04/2012 03:22 PM, Neal Becker wrote: > <> > >> You know, I would have taken the same view if it wasn't that this had been >> directed personally at me. Funny how that changes things. I wouldn't be >> very happy if I just blocked it from my own client but still found this >>

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread JB
Mikkel L. Ellertson gmail.com> writes: > ... > You missed the point. Weather moderating this list is a desirable > option or not does not affect how well he does as a moderator. Your > comment did not address the question of weather this list needs to > be moderated, it only addressed his qualif

Re: Anyone tried installing Fedora on the EEE 900

2012-01-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Jim writes: I think with 4gb  your pushing it when getting into preupgrading or updating , where extra space is required. I have a 8gb 900 that I had Fedora on it and I still ran into problems of not having enough extra space. I still had Fedora running and reconized all the hardware with

SOLVED Re: iptables: block source-ip after connect to port

2012-01-04 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.01.2012 06:54, schrieb Reindl Harald: > hi > > i would like to drop all icoming packets of any ip tried > to connect to telnet (port 23) which is meant as trap > for port-scans, there are some samples out there but i got > none of them working until now :-( > > iptables -N port-scan > ipta

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/04/2012 11:27 AM, JB wrote: > Mikkel L. Ellertson gmail.com> writes: > >> ... >> JB, >> It indicates that he can do a good job of moderating a list. Think >> of it as a job reference. >> >> Mikkel >> - -- > > Mikkel, > you are very easy here to

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread JB
Joe Zeff zeff.us> writes: > ... > Mr. Pot, may I introduce you to my friend Mr. Kettle? Well, welcome to the club. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://f

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/04/2012 08:39 AM, JB wrote: By making himself "available" to this list with the justification as he did it, he showed that he is a complete buffoon ! I say to him once again - get lost ! Mr. Pot, may I introduce you to my friend Mr. Kettle? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 05:27:08PM +, JB wrote: > Mikkel L. Ellertson gmail.com> writes: > > > ... > > JB, > > It indicates that he can do a good job of moderating a list. Think > > of it as a job reference. > > > > Mikkel > > - -- > > Mikkel, > you are very easy here to "set up" (becaus

[SOLVED] Re: F16 autofs + wireless

2012-01-04 Thread Ian Chapman
On 01/05/2012 12:18 AM, John Austin wrote: and in order for the network connection to be successful it needs an IPv4 address. So my question is, why does autofs get started before an IPv4 address has been made available? Is there a reasonable way to fix this? Does this help ? Used it for har

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread JB
Mikkel L. Ellertson gmail.com> writes: > ... > JB, > It indicates that he can do a good job of moderating a list. Think > of it as a job reference. > > Mikkel > - -- Mikkel, you are very easy here to "set up" (because that's what it is) when you want to drive away one mostly incomprehensible

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread jdow
On 2012/01/04 09:16, Claude Jones wrote: On 1/4/2012 10:50 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: I never paid any attention to what Linda had to say. It was*way* more fun reading reactions to her You sure that was a she? Got a spam message two days ago from a charles mcleod - just saying... I did find all the

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Claude Jones
On 1/4/2012 10:50 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: I never paid any attention to what Linda had to say. It was*way* more fun reading reactions to her You sure that was a she? Got a spam message two days ago from a charles mcleod - just saying... I did find all the indignant chest beating pretty funny,

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/04/2012 10:39 AM, JB wrote: > Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > >> >>> This is not a list to be "moderated" by half-witts of your caliber. >>> Get lost. >> >> A fine demonstration of why the list needs moderating. >> >> Actually Olav does

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Christina Salls
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:39 AM, JB wrote: > Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > > > > > > This is not a list to be "moderated" by half-witts of your caliber. > > > Get lost. > > > > A fine demonstration of why the list needs moderating. > > > > Actually Olav does a rather good job on the Gn

Re: Anyone tried installing Fedora on the EEE 900

2012-01-04 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jim wrote: > I think with 4gb  your pushing it when getting into preupgrading or updating > , where extra space is required. > > I have a 8gb 900 that I had Fedora on it and I still ran into problems of > not having enough extra space. I still had Fedora running an

Re: Anyone tried installing Fedora on the EEE 900

2012-01-04 Thread Jim
On 01/04/2012 08:18 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I've got an old Asus EEE PC 900 model, with the original, ancient Ubuntu on it, whose fate I'm pondering. Has anyone tried installing Fedora on its 4GB SSD drive. That should be big enough to accomodate the live image, I'd think, the only unknown f

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread JB
Alan Cox lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> writes: > > > This is not a list to be "moderated" by half-witts of your caliber. > > Get lost. > > A fine demonstration of why the list needs moderating. > > Actually Olav does a rather good job on the Gnome lists I've seen. I'm not > sure I agree with all his ch

Re: Anyone tried installing Fedora on the EEE 900

2012-01-04 Thread fred smith
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 01:33:15PM -0200, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: > Hi, > > I have one of those and Installed many Fedora reseases. Currently it's > running F14 with compiz enabled (!) > I've installed Fedora 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14 on my eeepc 901. Mine has a 4 gig SSD and a (slower) 16

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Alan Cox
> This is not a list to be "moderated" by half-witts of your caliber. > Get lost. A fine demonstration of why the list needs moderating. Actually Olav does a rather good job on the Gnome lists I've seen. I'm not sure I agree with all his choices but he does manage to stop them turning into junk

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