Re: Community edition

2024-07-29 Thread Paul Dupuis via use-livecode
wrote:   I am currently using the "Community" version, but it does not work on Apple Silicon devices. That’s a disappointment, I was thinking it might be my refuge for  my Community work. Do standalones created with the Community Edition not work on Apple S

Re: Community edition

2024-07-29 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode
refuge for  my Community work. Do standalones created with the Community Edition not work on Apple Silicon?   Neville Smythe ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your

Re: Community edition

2024-07-27 Thread Tim Selander via use-livecode
munity" version, but it does not work on Apple Silicon devices. That’s a disappointment, I was thinking it might be my refuge for my Community work. Do standalones created with the Community Edition not work on Apple Silicon? Neville Smythe

Re: Community edition

2024-07-26 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode
Unfortunately, my tests with various M1 and M2 Mac models using the community edition of LiveCode have yielded negative results. 1. The IDE opens but closes almost immediately. 2. Running a LiveCode app compiled for Intel-based Macs results in the error message: "This application cann

Re: Community edition

2024-07-26 Thread Neville Smythe via use-livecode
> On 26 Jul 2024, at 8:01 pm, Heriberto wrote: > > I am currently using the "Community" version, but it does not > work on Apple Silicon devices. That’s a disappointment, I was thinking it might be my refuge for my Community work. Do standalones created with the

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-11-14 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
THIS has to be one of the bugs we address ASAP. Thanks Curry for doing the leg work on this one. I hope the team is paying attention to this one. This is one of the things that a new user has no hope of being aware of. Thanks, Tom ___ use-livecode maili

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-11-12 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
I was having problems with SE on Windows randomly causing crashes just by clicking in the text are of SE. When I switched off all the bling, I never had another crash like that. I plan to slowly re-introduce the bling to see if I can identify which part causes the crashes. Regards, Bernard __

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-11-10 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Resurrecting this thread from September because ... now I've had a chance to go through my old bug reports, and found the one for this Script Editor slowdown! (It said "Pending Followup" so I just followed up on it.) For the people here that still see bad IDE/SE performance (and there were seve

Re: Improving the Community Edition with external tools

2021-10-31 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode
Thanks Curry! On 10/31/21 00:44, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote: Heriberto: > Golang external tools to be used with the Livecode Community Edition > ... users who want to fork the Community Edition? Interesting, but I think here (use-livecode list) is not the place; you shoul

Re: Improving the Community Edition with external tools

2021-10-30 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Heriberto: > Golang external tools to be used with the Livecode Community Edition > ... users who want to fork the Community Edition? Interesting, but I think here (use-livecode list) is not the place; you should talk to Heather and Kevin: support (at) livecode.com. :) They would hav

Improving the Community Edition with external tools

2021-10-30 Thread Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode
Dear Livecode experts, I'm working on creating / merging / compiling some Golang external tools to be used with the Livecode Community Edition (I know nothing about C++, just, Go, JS, and Livecode). So, the Livecode Community programs can call external and independent programs to a

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-10-04 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I could have sired a child who was just now graduating high school! :-) Bob S > On Oct 3, 2021, at 09:16 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: > >> - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries > > LOL. Th

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-10-03 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 9/30/21 7:02 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:  - a "require" or "include" mechanism for dependencies in libraries LOL. That request is now some 17 years old. https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1712 -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com _

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
They're only used for uploading or editing stacks that you want to share. (Oh, now that I think about it, maybe also to rate a stack from someone else). I thought about just removing those buttons from the plugin (IMHO, the upload/edit functions are fine as they are), but then I thought someon

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
This is really nice and fast, Alex. Thanks again for doing this as I’ve always felt that LC’s Sample Stacks is a great and often overlooked resource save for it’s interface. I note that "Log In" and "Sign Up" do not work. Is there any value in those items? Roger > On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM,

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
Ah, it worked this time. I thought one might need your plugin to find your plugin…. Thanks, Roger > On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hmmm ... not sure why. > > Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode > > Or: start the IDE,

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
Hmmm ... not sure why. Easy way : https://www.tweedly.org/Downloads/samplestacks.livecode Or: start the IDE, and  in the toolbar (4th or so from the right) is "Sample Stacks". Then  - select "View as: List"  - select "All" on left hand side  - select "Sort by: Date"  - then reverse order

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
There’s an old joke about a tourist in Maine asking a local for directions and an old farmer says “You can’t get theya from hereya”. Roger > On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode > wrote: > > This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you > described

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Roger Guay via use-livecode
This sounds absolutely wonderful, Alex, except I can’t find it as you described. Roger > On Sep 30, 2021, at 7:27 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > wrote: > > > On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: >> On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: >> >>> U

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
On 30/09/2021 15:02, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. So I had a look at what could be done just within the IDE for

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-30 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
On 06/09/2021 15:14, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. Kind regards, Kevin Some of these issues can easily be tackled as a community effort / project - but it's not clear to

Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

2021-09-22 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 9/9/21 7:18 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: > We (LiveCode Ltd.) cannot take any code changes you make to your project's version of the LiveCode source-code and use them in our commercial code as (by default) it will be GPLv3 licensed, and the copyright of that will be held by

Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

2021-09-12 Thread Paul McClernan via use-livecode
Thank you very much for the info and advice Mark, very much appreciated. This is all entirely new ground for me and so I may make mistakes going forward, just let me know and I’ll do my best to correct them ASAP! I hope certainly hope anyone else trying to do anything with the legacy code base w

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-10 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Lagi: > My Laptop is SSD and still the problems. > I have the problems with or without defender on. > I don't use third party antivirus anymore That's 2 out of 4 common steps! Have you disabled the SE "bling" options? Bling is slang for flashy expensive trinkets, such as Live Errors and Auto

Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

2021-09-09 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
On 2021-09-08 22:54, Paul McClernan via use-livecode wrote: I've already fixed a bug that I reported back in April in my fork(s) and added a link to my fix to that bugzilla report. https://github.com/PaulMcClernan/LiveCodeCommunity-IDE-DontPanicEdition At this point in any changed relationshi

Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

2021-09-09 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
this. > Personally > > I have never seen a future for a closed source language, and the > projects I > > work on will not fund. Projects developed in closed source - especially > by > > a small company. So I have a choice, switch language, or look to continue > > with dev

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-09 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
Hi Lagi I just went back and repeated my steps from a couple of days ago. New start for IDE, new stack, pasted in the same 8,000 lines as a comment. And this time there was no slow down. So it does look like any such problems are less predictable than my initial test suggested. I toggled on then

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi Bernard, I didn't make myself clear - it can work for hours with no slowdown at 13,000 lines on an older computer there is just no pattern. Lagi On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 18:54, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script Ed

Re: LiveCode Community - anyone up for maintaining the community edition?

2021-09-08 Thread Paul McClernan via use-livecode
; work on will not fund. Projects developed in closed source - especially by > a small company. So I have a choice, switch language, or look to continue > with developing with the community edition and help build an open source > community around that. The former (switching languages) is

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-08 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
Bob, that is exactly what the schools and university licenses are. Plus, the apps developed with them the are non-expiring (which is probably a good thing since many students will want to continue using their apps and not have them go p and disappear). School is $25 a seat per year, and univ

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Ali Lloyd via use-livecode
One thing to check is whether you are using a fixed width font, and if not whether you have the same performance issue with the SE when using one. On Wed, 8 Sep 2021, 18:52 Bernard Devlin via use-livecode, < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script Editor on

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
I pasted 8000 lines of text into Script Editor on Windows (just 1 large block comment). On typing chars take a couple of seconds to appear once there is that much text. Cut it down to 800 lines and it's fine. With 8000 lines switch off "live errors" and the slow typing issue is gone. I've asked

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I also have seen the autocomplete stop and start working, and that on a Mac. It may have something to do with the length of the script. I have also seen the extreme slowdown issue on Windows script editor and also in the performance. Most of the performance hit is in the frequent saves I inserte

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi Curry, My Laptop is SSD and still the problems. , I have the problems with or without defender on.I don't use third party antivirus anymore as (especially with norton that customers still bloody buy) you get lots of eyecandy bloat and headaches - the best antivirus i have is the one between my

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
che Nachricht- > > Von: use-livecode Im Auftrag > von Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. September 2021 14:14 > > An: Andre Garzia via use-livecode > > Cc: Ben Rubinstein > > Betreff: Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Com

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi Ben, I did some testing using the CPU% in the task manager - i was trying to do some more before sending in my results. It looks like if it has been running for some time but the time is not "quantified" at the moment as I have not been working on my project much these last few months. When I

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I don't use 6.7 anymore, but no, they do not. At least not to the degree they do now. Bob S > On Sep 8, 2021, at 05:13 , Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode > wrote: > > May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows > (Andre, Lagi, Bob), could if possible confirm whe

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-08 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Speaking of an educational license, perhaps consider, now that a lot of learning is online, having the ability to "assign" a seat license an email and password, so that someone could teach an online course, and distribute each seat license to students for the duration of the class. Upon graduati

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Ben: > It would be good to understand if this has always been an issue, > or whether it came in with the switch to LC7, as we know > some other Windows-specific speed issues did. Not "it". Instead a combination: 1. LC 7 Engine Performance issues. 2. New Windows antivirus trends affecting disk

Re: AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
An: Andre Garzia via use-livecode Cc: Ben Rubinstein Betreff: Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition) May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows (Andre, Lagi, Bob), could if possible confirm whether they find the same applies using LC

AW: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Tiemo via use-livecode
stein via use-livecode Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. September 2021 14:14 An: Andre Garzia via use-livecode Cc: Ben Rubinstein Betreff: Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition) May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows (Andre, Lagi, Bob), cou

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
May I repeat my request that anyone experiencing these issues on Windows (Andre, Lagi, Bob), could if possible confirm whether they find the same applies using LC 6.7? It would be good to understand if this has always been an issue, or whether it came in with the switch to LC7, as we know some

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-08 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
I mean the script editor mostly but also the rest of the ide has a bit of jank. Laying out interfaces on Windows has been worse than doing it on a Mac. The worse offender is the script editor though. > On 7 Sep 2021, at 23:28, Scott Morrow via use-livecode > wrote: > > Andre, when you say “so

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-07 Thread Scott Morrow via use-livecode
Andre, when you say “so bad” do you mean the script editor or… ? -- Scott Morrow > On Sep 7, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode > wrote: > > to be honest, the IDE on Windows has been so bad for me that it caused me to > switch back to a mac... __

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-07 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
gt; >>>> stupid and not workable suggestions?. > >>>> > >>>> Lagi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, 2 Sept

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Yes, and this is really disconcerting. Not sure how many Mac vs. PC devs there are for LC, but I suspect it's weighed heavily towards Mac. I think in retrospect, it may have been better to retain UTF-8 as an option, that is be able to select unicode or not in an app. But I suspect that would be

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-07 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
of the trial actively, we may well >>> give a >>>>> longer trial a shot at some point. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-07 Thread kee nethery via use-livecode
> On Sep 2, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Mark Smith via use-livecode > wrote: > > HI Kee, > > You do know the schools license gives you complete access to all 7 platforms > and permanent standalones for $25 a seat per year and the apps are > non-expiring? Did not know that. Kee _

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-07 Thread e.beugelaar--- via use-livecode
behalf of Bernard Devlin via use-livecode Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 7:08:09 PM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Bernard Devlin Subject: Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition) Without knowing anything other than "the IDE is like treacle" I loaded various

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-07 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
Without knowing anything other than "the IDE is like treacle" I loaded various stacks in Windows to see what the complaint could possibly be about. 8 seconds for IDE to start - no treacle on opening stacks 8 seconds to open Dictionary - no treacle on searching Dictionary (given it's loading 1000 p

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself >>>> >>>> On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via >>>> use-livecode" >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>True, true. >>&g

Re: IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-07 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
It's worse than the unicode text issue. Saving stacks is from my setup 7 to 8 times slower in Windows than on a Mac, and I have tried numerous Windows configurations from bare metal to VMWare servers running on a robust host. In discussions in the past, it seems there isn't a lot Livecode can do

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-07 Thread Heather Laine via use-livecode
Folks, Thank you for all your input on this subject. I think everyone has now had an opportunity to express opinions, discuss, and understand the changes. As Kevin has said previously, if you have constructive ideas on how to improve our new model, please do send them to him direct. Naturally p

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-07 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:13 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Another company's software I used for visual Foxpro and Delphi over the > years was > > https://www.chilkatsoft.com/ > > Look at all the languages they support and livecode isn't on there [...]

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Actually their link is not correct - press on the extras icon - Monkeybread does some awesome addons and keeps them upto date. Some are included put some go way past both the builtin XOJO and LC "widgets" Another company's software I used for visual Foxpro and Delphi over the years was https://

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
Actually I wasn't particularly addressing you. For one thing, I'll wager you've got hundreds of posts on the Forum. On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:09 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > My biggest "whine" is not the ending of the open source initiative - it's > the

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Folks: I’ve been following this thread and have a few thoughts I decided to share. Interestingly, I don’t see Android support for XOJO. Hmm…. In my case (I have a Commercial license), I am really happy that version 10 of LC will be improving the web software. I’ve been thinking about diving into

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
On 06/09/2021 19:07, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode wrote: The biggest error livecode has made all these years is not creating a "working" storefront that doesn't look like it has been totally given up on. Not sure that's the "biggest" - but yes, I agree it looks unloved. Look at the addons crea

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi Bernard, I could be called one of the whiners but I have paid my indy licence since the kickstarter and the business Upgrade (until a year ago - Incase I needed it - I didnt). My biggest "whine" is not the ending of the open source initiative - it's the fact that OUR biggest competitors (XOJO

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:08 PM Kevin Miller via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > We have dabbled with a number of low cost /entry level offerings in the > past. There used to be a starter kit that allowed only a certain number of > lines of code per object. We had non-standal

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Keith Martin via use-livecode
> On Sep 6, 2021, at 12:22 PM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode > wrote: > > I’m happy paying for my license because I can see the value LC provides me, > and how my money directly affects their ability to output quality stuff. I > love FOSS, but I’d rather have a healthy LC Ltd around with the r

Re: Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-06 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Upgrading this could be a very useful project. There is a lot of content in there but it has the issues you list. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Develop Yourself On 06/09/2021, 14:11, "use-livecode on behalf of Alex Tweedly via use-

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
; On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via > > > > use-livecode" > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > True, true. > > > > > > > > There could be a

Sample stacks / revOnline [was: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition]

2021-09-06 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
In the main thread, I mentioned that I found revOnline (aka "Sample Stacks"), but didn't say how or why. Here the answer to that ... It has: - no differentiation between 'libraries' and 'examples' - it has no support for script-only stacks, which is surely the way most libraries will be done

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
+1    Yes, speculation is fun, but probably not very useful :-) On 06/09/2021 12:20, Andre Garzia via use-livecode wrote: Let’s take a step back for a second and realise as a community we lack many things that other programming language communities have. We do have a very healthy mailing list,

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
ooks, and > fostering the community. > * There are very few services and companies besides LiveCode Ltd offering > products to the community. > > > All items mentioned above are important regardless if LiveCode Community > Edition is around or not. Without those thing

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-06 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Edition is around or not. Without those things, it is very hard for any FOSS initiative to blossom. Without those things, it is very hard to make a programming language community feel vibrant and alive. We had eight years of LC Community Edition, and as a community we haven’t really cared to

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
Let’s get this conundrum worked out: 1. If I have Mac or Windows machine 2. If I download “Livecode 9.6.4 Standard ” 3. And I pay $300.00 for an annual license 4. I can build for Desktop for Windows, Linux, iOS iPhone, Android 5. Minus Premium features 6. For one year + plus the upgrades that occu

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread matthias rebbe via use-livecode
> money". Yeah, right - contacting LC Ltd and asking how they could > contribute financially was beyond their abilities. > > In 25 years on the internet, I've never before seen such a collection of > valueless people as these whiners (they wouldn't be tolerated in any

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
Over on the Forum I've seen several of the whiners criticising the lifetime licenses - people who have paid a tiny fraction of what we've paid (if they've paid anything at all)! I suspect their baseless criticisms have cost more than any of the whiners have paid in license fees. If I ran the Forum

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Rick Harrison via use-livecode
Hi Dan, So you want the company to break more promises, even to the lifetimers? A lot of the lifetimers have spent a lot of money on licenses before deciding to invest in lifetime licenses. I don’t think you want to be ticking off what is probably the company's most loyal base. It’s a recipe f

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On the flip side, if there's only a small demographic then the loss of that revenue would be minimal and the company would retain its honorable reputation. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September 5, 2021 8:57:33 AM Dan

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
h, right - contacting LC Ltd and asking how they could contribute financially was beyond their abilities. In 25 years on the internet, I've never before seen such a collection of valueless people as these whiners (they wouldn't be tolerated in any other business or open source communit

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
> I'd also get rid of any existing lifetime > and lock in licenses (sorry, time to clean house) That would clean house all right! Hand grenade style. We'd be getting to the point of serious self-harm. It can't be any more harmful than abruptly pulling the rug from under the feet of your larges

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
Worse still... Dan: > Introduce breaking changes when it's necessary > to move the language forward We tried "cut off the old hair" memes already, remember? I would argue that retaining legacy functionality and behaviours whilst trying to modernise or improve a language introduces bugs and is

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode
Hi Folks, This seems headed for trouble again if we're not careful. We must avoid repeating the same history: 1. Added work for LC Ltd without compensation* 2. Buggy struggling main product due to #1 3. Overcomplicating things 4. Burdening those who pay with the extra expense 5. *Added work f

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Dreamweaver, RevMedia . . . absolutely no need to do any thinking whatsoever . . . it has all happened before. On 5.09.21 10:42, Terry Judd via use-livecode wrote: Not sure how this would work - but what if only licensed versions of LC could produce and run distributable/shareable stacks while

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Dan Brown via use-livecode
There will always be a subset of people that will circumvent paying for software. I'm not convinced an endless battle trying to prevent misuse is worth the cost of hampering the onboarding experience for new customers. Unless you've cornered the market you really can't afford to be user hostile. P

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-05 Thread Terry Judd via use-livecode
Not sure how this would work - but what if only licensed versions of LC could produce and run distributable/shareable stacks while the free version could only run stacks produced by that particular instance of the app? On 5/9/21, 3:57 pm, "use-livecode on behalf of J. Landman Gay via use-livec

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-04 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
You wouldn't necessarily even need that much. Tell them to install the free version and open your stack from the File menu. It isn't an app but they'd have all the capabilities. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On September

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-04 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
On 04/09/2021 15:36, David Bovill via use-livecode wrote: So the question here is why not do the same here - keep a free-to-develop “trial version” without the compilation framework and tools. I’m curious to the reasoning. The cynic in me would say that the assumption is that there are too fe

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-04 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
ourself > > > > > > > > On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via > > > > use-livecode" > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > True, true. > > > > > > >

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-04 Thread David Bovill via use-livecode
ince/teach a civilian to install a > > > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other > > > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I > > would > > > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an option.

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-03 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
t; > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a > > > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any > other > > > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. > I > > would > > > not dismis

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-03 Thread Drs Mark Schonewille via use-livecode
Michael Kristensen via use-livecode: Hi there I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community Edition That would be for personal use, and to learn coding. Michael ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-03 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
rmation Services > > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode > > Sen

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-03 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
; > -Original Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Kevin Miller; M

IDE performance (Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition)

2021-09-03 Thread Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
On Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM To: How to use LiveCode Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
rev.com> wrote: > > > > > > True, true. > > > > > > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack > around > > > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a > > > programmin

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
s, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I > would > > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an option. > > > > Ralph DiMola > > IT Director > > Evergreen Information Services > > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net >

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > True, true. > >> > > >> > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack > around > >> > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a > >

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
gt; > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other > > > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I > > would > > > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an > option. > > > > >

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
> > True, true. >> > >> > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack around >> > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a >> > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other >&

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
; Ralph DiMola > > IT Director > > Evergreen Information Services > > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > > Beha

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
al Message- > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM > To: How to use LiveCode > Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen > Subject: Re: Suggesti

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread Mark Smith via use-livecode
HI Kee, You do know the schools license gives you complete access to all 7 platforms and permanent standalones for $25 a seat per year and the apps are non-expiring? > On Sep 2, 2021, at 6:15 PM, Kee Nethery via use-livecode > wrote: > > I like the idea of a free version that does not compile

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 9/2/21 12:34 PM, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote: Here’s the calculations as it stands for the new Standard Plan. 1 platform = $300 2 platforms = $500 ($200 more) 3 platforms = $900 (another $400 more ??) 4 platforms = $1000 ($100 more ) 5 platforms = $1500 ($500 more [mind blown]) 6 pl

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread Bernard Devlin via use-livecode
>> I can understand why there are users who feel betrayed by the company especially with the new pricing structure, and the discontinuance of support for the Community version which was even paid for in a marketing campaign in advance of it’s release. << The vast majority of the money contributed t

Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition

2021-09-02 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
rector > >>> Evergreen Information Services > >>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > >>> > >>> -----Original Message- > >>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On > Behalf > >>> Of Michael Kristensen

Re: LiveCode community edition is gone

2021-09-02 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Rick has brought to mind an interesting point about the new pricing model. It’s one that I think of occasionally. Currently and in the new model we pay for each deployment. But it’s a bit odd. Surely what we should be paying for is the Core engine and then smaller amounts for each deployment mod

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