Welcome back, Andre! On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:56 Andre Garzia via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> to be honest, the IDE on Windows has been so bad for me that it caused me > to switch back to a mac... > > > On 7 Sep 2021, at 09:00, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > > I was wondering this too: when Lagi mentioned 'fix the IDE' I thought > this might be a reference to some of a number of usabiity snags - it didn't > occur to me that it was just speed. > > > > I develop on a nine-year old MacBook and have never noticed a speed > issue with the IDE. I wonder if it's possible that the Windows IDE has been > affected by the same issue to do with manipulating quantities of text that > I've been talking about on the list, which Mark W has suggested might be > fixed in a release very shortly? (Seems unlikely!) But definitely seems to > be something platform specific. > > > > Lagi, if you're still able to access a 6.7 installer, could you confirm > whether the IDE under 6.7 has the same problem on your set up? The problems > with speed on Windows that I'm seeing came in after 6.7. > > > > Ben > > > > On 03/09/2021 03:05, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: > >> Hi Lagi, > >> I have the LC IDE running on a remote Windows Server with 1 core (2Ghz) > and > >> 2GB ram. It struggles at times but is still usable (truly amazingly). > >> Otherwise, I run it on Windows through Parallels Desktop with VM 8 cores > >> and 8GB on an 8core 32GB Macbook Pro. Saving a stack takes 15 times > longer > >> in Win compared to the same machine in macOS. Other than the slight lag > and > >> bugginess of the script editor this is the only slowness I see. Unicode > >> slows down some procedures but that is not limited to the IDE. > >> I hope you can work out what is slowing it down to treacle speeds for > you. > >> It sounds a bit odd to me. > >> On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 00:16, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running > on a > >>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like > >>> treacle. > >>> << > >>> > >>> As I don't recognize this experience can you put a video of your > experience > >>> on the cloud? I don't run on hardware anything like as beefy as you > have. > >>> The only machine I've got where LC is slow is one where Windows itself > is > >>> really slow (a 4yo laptop). On my two Apple machines (M1 and Intel, > the > >>> latter is 5yo) it is not "like treacle", neither is it slow on my i5 > >>> Windows machine. > >>> > >>> It's a bit hard for LC Ltd to identify and fix something if it's only > found > >>> in some odd cases. > >>> > >>> Regards, Bernard > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install > >>>> something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in > the > >>>> way > >>>> so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out. > >>>> > >>>> You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an > extension, > >>>> and by the time they answer > >>>> you get cheesed off and remove the program. > >>>> > >>>> The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 > months > >>>> (whichever comes first). > >>>> > >>>> This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without > exiting > >>>> for 6 months but it times out anyway. > >>>> Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" > twice > >>> so > >>>> it will last 30 days. > >>>> > >>>> This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it > without > >>>> rushing. > >>>> > >>>> The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal > >>>> customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps > those > >>>> who want to give it a good try. > >>>> > >>>> You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with > an OK > >>>> button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a > >>>> brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?). > >>>> > >>>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running > >>> on a > >>>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs > like > >>>> treacle. > >>>> > >>>> If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in > >>> less > >>>> than 30 minutes. > >>>> > >>>> You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away" > >>> to > >>>> schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen. > >>>> > >>>> It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - > and > >>>> some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a > >>>> student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid > >>> idea > >>>> of the lot so far) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky, > >>>> stupid and not workable suggestions?. > >>>> > >>>> Lagi > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode < > >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well > >>> give a > >>>>> longer trial a shot at some point. > >>>>> > >>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Kevin > >>>>> > >>>>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > >>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself > >>>>> > >>>>> On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via > >>>>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of > >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> True, true. > >>>>> > >>>>> There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack > >>> around > >>>>> but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a > >>>>> programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other > >>>>> supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I > >>>> would > >>>>> not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an > >>> option. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ralph DiMola > >>>>> IT Director > >>>>> Evergreen Information Services > >>>>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com > ] > >>> On > >>>>> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM > >>>>> To: How to use LiveCode > >>>>> Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen > >>>>> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free > >>>>> non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just > >>>>> download that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Kind regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Kevin > >>>>> > >>>>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > >>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself > >>>>> > >>>>> On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael > >>> Kristensen > >>>>> via use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf > of > >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi there > >>>>> > >>>>> I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community > >>> Edition > >>>>> > >>>>> That would be for personal use, and to learn coding. > >>>>> > >>>>> Michael > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > >>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>>> subscription preferences: > >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> KIndest Regards Lagi > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>> subscription preferences: > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- -- Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. 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