Tom, I have mentioned the IDE problem how many times in the last 3 years and nothing has come of it.
They have been fixated on getting bought out by Apple or Claris (LCFM is on the Filemaker store) but I bet Apple has been stringing them along and learning their IP to bring out their own to compete with flutter. because of Flutter. I could be totally wrong but apple and microsoft have done it more than once https://www.silicon.co.uk/e-regulation/stealing-health-apple-watch-328647 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FSm61dM_nM https://www.sriplaw.com/can-apple-steal-my-iphone-app-ideas-and-get-away-with-it/ Lagi On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 23:01, Tom Glod via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I literally begged. LOL > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:59 PM Tom Glod <t...@makeshyft.com> wrote: > > > Lagi, > > > > I wrote to Kevin earlier and gave the exact same advice. those exact 2 > > points needing to be addressed. > > > > Give long trial, fix the most obvious IDE issues ASAP. > > > > Without those two things how is any new developer going to join the > > platform? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > > >> Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install > >> something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in the > >> way > >> so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out. > >> > >> You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an extension, > >> and by the time they answer > >> you get cheesed off and remove the program. > >> > >> The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 > months > >> (whichever comes first). > >> > >> This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without > exiting > >> for 6 months but it times out anyway. > >> Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" twice > so > >> it will last 30 days. > >> > >> This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it > without > >> rushing. > >> > >> The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal > >> customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps those > >> who want to give it a good try. > >> > >> You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with an > OK > >> button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a > >> brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?). > >> > >> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running > on > >> a > >> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like > >> treacle. > >> > >> If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in > >> less > >> than 30 minutes. > >> > >> You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away" > to > >> schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen. > >> > >> It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - > and > >> some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a > >> student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid > >> idea > >> of the lot so far) > >> > >> > >> Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky, > >> stupid and not workable suggestions?. > >> > >> Lagi > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode < > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > >> > We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well > give > >> a > >> > longer trial a shot at some point. > >> > > >> > Kind regards, > >> > > >> > Kevin > >> > > >> > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > >> > LiveCode: Develop Yourself > >> > > >> > On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via > >> > use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > True, true. > >> > > >> > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack > around > >> > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a > >> > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other > >> > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I > >> would > >> > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an > option. > >> > > >> > Ralph DiMola > >> > IT Director > >> > Evergreen Information Services > >> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] > >> On > >> > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM > >> > To: How to use LiveCode > >> > Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen > >> > Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition > >> > > >> > Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free > >> > non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just > >> > download that. > >> > > >> > Kind regards, > >> > > >> > Kevin > >> > > >> > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ > >> > LiveCode: Develop Yourself > >> > > >> > On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael > Kristensen > >> > via use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi there > >> > > >> > I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community > >> Edition > >> > > >> > That would be for personal use, and to learn coding. > >> > > >> > Michael > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > use-livecode mailing list > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > >> > subscription preferences: > >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > use-livecode mailing list > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> > subscription preferences: > >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > use-livecode mailing list > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> > subscription preferences: > >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > use-livecode mailing list > >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> > subscription preferences: > >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> KIndest Regards Lagi > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-livecode mailing list > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >> > > > > > > -- > > Tom Glod > > Founder & Developer > > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > > Mobile:647.562.9411 > > > > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Mobile:647.562.9411 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- KIndest Regards Lagi _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
