to be honest, the IDE on Windows has been so bad for me that it caused me to switch back to a mac...
> On 7 Sep 2021, at 09:00, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode > <use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > I was wondering this too: when Lagi mentioned 'fix the IDE' I thought this > might be a reference to some of a number of usabiity snags - it didn't occur > to me that it was just speed. > > I develop on a nine-year old MacBook and have never noticed a speed issue > with the IDE. I wonder if it's possible that the Windows IDE has been > affected by the same issue to do with manipulating quantities of text that > I've been talking about on the list, which Mark W has suggested might be > fixed in a release very shortly? (Seems unlikely!) But definitely seems to be > something platform specific. > > Lagi, if you're still able to access a 6.7 installer, could you confirm > whether the IDE under 6.7 has the same problem on your set up? The problems > with speed on Windows that I'm seeing came in after 6.7. > > Ben > > On 03/09/2021 03:05, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote: >> Hi Lagi, >> I have the LC IDE running on a remote Windows Server with 1 core (2Ghz) and >> 2GB ram. It struggles at times but is still usable (truly amazingly). >> Otherwise, I run it on Windows through Parallels Desktop with VM 8 cores >> and 8GB on an 8core 32GB Macbook Pro. Saving a stack takes 15 times longer >> in Win compared to the same machine in macOS. Other than the slight lag and >> bugginess of the script editor this is the only slowness I see. Unicode >> slows down some procedures but that is not limited to the IDE. >> I hope you can work out what is slowing it down to treacle speeds for you. >> It sounds a bit odd to me. >> On Fri, 3 Sept 2021 at 00:16, Bernard Devlin via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running on a >>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like >>> treacle. >>> << >>> >>> As I don't recognize this experience can you put a video of your experience >>> on the cloud? I don't run on hardware anything like as beefy as you have. >>> The only machine I've got where LC is slow is one where Windows itself is >>> really slow (a 4yo laptop). On my two Apple machines (M1 and Intel, the >>> latter is 5yo) it is not "like treacle", neither is it slow on my i5 >>> Windows machine. >>> >>> It's a bit hard for LC Ltd to identify and fix something if it's only found >>> in some odd cases. >>> >>> Regards, Bernard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install >>>> something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in the >>>> way >>>> so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out. >>>> >>>> You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an extension, >>>> and by the time they answer >>>> you get cheesed off and remove the program. >>>> >>>> The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 months >>>> (whichever comes first). >>>> >>>> This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without exiting >>>> for 6 months but it times out anyway. >>>> Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" twice >>> so >>>> it will last 30 days. >>>> >>>> This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it without >>>> rushing. >>>> >>>> The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal >>>> customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps those >>>> who want to give it a good try. >>>> >>>> You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with an OK >>>> button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a >>>> brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?). >>>> >>>> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running >>> on a >>>> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like >>>> treacle. >>>> >>>> If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in >>> less >>>> than 30 minutes. >>>> >>>> You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away" >>> to >>>> schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen. >>>> >>>> It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - and >>>> some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a >>>> student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid >>> idea >>>> of the lot so far) >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky, >>>> stupid and not workable suggestions?. >>>> >>>> Lagi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode < >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well >>> give a >>>>> longer trial a shot at some point. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ >>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself >>>>> >>>>> On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via >>>>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> True, true. >>>>> >>>>> There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack >>> around >>>>> but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a >>>>> programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other >>>>> supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I >>>> would >>>>> not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an >>> option. >>>>> >>>>> Ralph DiMola >>>>> IT Director >>>>> Evergreen Information Services >>>>> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] >>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM >>>>> To: How to use LiveCode >>>>> Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen >>>>> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free >>>>> non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just >>>>> download that. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Kevin >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ >>>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself >>>>> >>>>> On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael >>> Kristensen >>>>> via use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi there >>>>> >>>>> I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community >>> Edition >>>>> >>>>> That would be for personal use, and to learn coding. >>>>> >>>>> Michael >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> KIndest Regards Lagi >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
