I literally begged. LOL On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:59 PM Tom Glod <t...@makeshyft.com> wrote:
> Lagi, > > I wrote to Kevin earlier and gave the exact same advice. those exact 2 > points needing to be addressed. > > Give long trial, fix the most obvious IDE issues ASAP. > > Without those two things how is any new developer going to join the > platform? > > > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:34 PM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode < > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > >> Trials of 14 days or even 30 days are a waste of time. I can install >> something and use it for a couple of days - then life / work gets in the >> way >> so It sits on the computer for 31 days and then times out. >> >> You then have to waste your time and the companies to get an extension, >> and by the time they answer >> you get cheesed off and remove the program. >> >> The BEST trial is the one that lasts for 30 actual executions or 6 months >> (whichever comes first). >> >> This stops the clever SOD who decides to keep it running without exiting >> for 6 months but it times out anyway. >> Even better if he keeps it on for 2 days it counts as "executing" twice so >> it will last 30 days. >> >> This means I have 30 days over a 6 month period to really test it without >> rushing. >> >> The people who would game the system are the people who won't be loyal >> customer anyway, so not giving a worthwhile trial period handicaps those >> who want to give it a good try. >> >> You can also put a nag screen at the start of any executable with an OK >> button link to a special discounted price - free marketing (what a >> brilliant Idea, why didn't I think of it?). >> >> But the best way of selling it is to FIX the bloody IDE - I am running on >> a >> 16G 1 year Old 8th Generation CoreI7 processor and it STILL runs like >> treacle. >> >> If I downloaded it today as a new person it would be off my machine in >> less >> than 30 minutes. >> >> You could also use this as your "marketing" system by "giving it away" to >> schools for nothing and without the trial period but the nag screen. >> >> It can then be used by the students to learn programming at no cost - and >> some of the students parent might pony up for a paid for version at a >> student price (with no expiring standalones of cours - the most stupid >> idea >> of the lot so far) >> >> >> Anyway Kevin, have I/we wastedour time again putting out these cranky, >> stupid and not workable suggestions?. >> >> Lagi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 15:55, Kevin Miller via use-livecode < >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> >> > We *are* considering the length of the trial actively, we may well give >> a >> > longer trial a shot at some point. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Kevin >> > >> > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ >> > LiveCode: Develop Yourself >> > >> > On 02/09/2021, 15:51, "use-livecode on behalf of Ralph DiMola via >> > use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> > True, true. >> > >> > There could be a small group of programmers that pass a stack around >> > but you would not be able to convince/teach a civilian to install a >> > programming IDE and explain how to run the stack along with any other >> > supporting files, SW or plug-ins... Mobile would be a non-starter. I >> would >> > not dismiss this out-of-hand. A 90 day free IDE could also be an option. >> > >> > Ralph DiMola >> > IT Director >> > Evergreen Information Services >> > rdim...@evergreeninfo.net >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] >> On >> > Behalf Of Kevin Miller via use-livecode >> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2021 10:31 AM >> > To: How to use LiveCode >> > Cc: Kevin Miller; Michael Kristensen >> > Subject: Re: Suggestion: Non-Appbuilding Community Edition >> > >> > Thanks for the constructive suggestion. Unfortunately with a free >> > non-app building version, everyone who needs to run an app can just >> > download that. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Kevin >> > >> > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ >> > LiveCode: Develop Yourself >> > >> > On 02/09/2021, 14:49, "use-livecode on behalf of Michael Kristensen >> > via use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi there >> > >> > I suggest that there could be a Non-Appbuilding Community >> Edition >> > >> > That would be for personal use, and to learn coding. >> > >> > Michael >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> > subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > >> >> >> -- >> KIndest Regards Lagi >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > > -- > Tom Glod > Founder & Developer > MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) > Mobile:647.562.9411 > -- Tom Glod Founder & Developer MakeShyft R.D.A (www.makeshyft.com) Mobile:647.562.9411 _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
