Re: [Tagging] Coach parking

2023-06-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2023-06-09 at 10:24 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: > Anne-Karoline Distel writes: > > > [women's and parent's parking] > > I can believe it exists, and it being common in .eu explains why it's > in > the josm presets. > > You're right about caravans/ RVs, that should be its own tag as > > wel

Re: [Tagging] Postal verses locational addresses

2023-09-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On 12 September 2023 10:28:11 CEST, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >On 12/9/23 03:57, Greg Troxel wrote: >> The fundamental issue is that there are postal addresses and what might >> be called "civil addresses" or "physical addresses" ('locational' I >> understand but is not normal Engli

Re: [Tagging] shops for display

2023-11-22 Thread Philip Barnes
This is becoming much more of a problem. In the UK we have a shop called Argos, where you order from a catalogue then the item appears on a conveyor from an attached storage area a few minutes later. You could also ask to see something before you bought it. A few years ago they were large shops

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Documenting feet as an an optional elevation unit

2024-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
The legal definition of a foot is of course 0.348 m. "Since an international agreement in 1959, the foot is defined as equal to exactly 0.3048 metres'. Phil (trigpoint) On 28 January 2024 18:57:45 GMT, Minh Nguyen wrote: >Vào lúc 04:08 2024-01-28, Greg Troxel đã viết: >> Minh Nguyen writes:

Re: [Tagging] clootie trees/ rag trees

2024-03-04 Thread Philip Barnes
This reminded me of The Arbor Tree in Aston-on-Clun.  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/436200174 It is decorated annually on Oak Apple Day (29th May). It is decorated with flags these days but it goes a log way back so I assume it was simpler cloths at one time. https://www.geograph.org.uk/pho

Re: [Tagging] Limited use telephone

2024-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2024-05-24 at 15:14 +0100, Timothy Noname wrote: > There is a node 6397545656 marked as amenity telephone but it's a > service only for cyclists to contact the shuttle bus that takes them > through the Dartford crossing.  > > I think amenity=telephone should be reserved for general use > t

Re: [Tagging] Limited use telephone

2024-05-24 Thread Philip Barnes
They are phones, they usually dial a fixed number when the handset is lifted. Phil (trigpoint) On 24 May 2024 16:11:12 BST, Andy Mabbett wrote: >On Fri, 24 May 2024, 15:14 Timothy Noname, wrote: > >> There is a node 6397545656 marked as amenity telephone but it's a service >only for cyclists to

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - Qanat"

2020-06-20 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 15:42 +0200, Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > > And we already have plenty of those: > > Piste > Gabion > Kindergarten > chicane > kneipp_water_cure > bureau_de_change > aikido > krachtbal > boules > futsal > adit > gasometer > Bungalow Robot and sometimes British and America

Re: [Tagging] Milk Churn Stands

2020-06-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-20 at 19:25 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 19:08, Martin Koppenhoefer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 20. Jun 2020, at 14:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > They should probably have disused=yes or a disused lifecycle > > > > > prefix

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-06-26 at 19:53 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > FWIW, I also believe these are very different from shop=beverages, as > they are selling drinks ready to consume, while shop=beverages is a > kind of shop that sells beverages to take home (while nothing > prevents you from buying a si

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 16:33 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > sent from a phone > > > On 27. Jun 2020, at 16:03, Philip Barnes > > wrote: > > > > I would call that a takeaway in everyday language which we map as > > fast food in OSM. > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 09:48 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > On 6/27/20 09:33, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I would be ok with fast food for bubble tea, although typically you > > say “food and drinks”, i.e. calling a place where you can get only > > things to drink and nothing to eat might seem a

Re: [Tagging] 回覆﹕ Re: Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bubble_tea

2020-06-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 19:54 +0100, Cj Malone wrote: > On Sat, 2020-06-27 at 17:15 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 17:03, 德泉 談 via Tagging > > wrote: > > > > > In previous discussion we haven’t clarify that “cafe” is a place > > > serving coffee drinks > > > or > > > a place p

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:36 +0200, Gábor Fekete wrote: > In Hungary in every restaurant before you pay the bill, the waiter > asks if you want some dessert. She asks you, even if they only have > pancakes as dessert. So one could tag every "amenity=restaurant" with > "cuisine=*;dessert". But the re

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds is not a cafe > > where I am from, and would put money on most British people calling > > it a fas

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 14:45 +0200, bkil wrote: > Yes, pretty much sounds like a cukrászda to me. ;-) > > Especially if they prepare their own desserts and if they take custom > orders (why shouldn't they if they already have a pastry cook?). > > Do they have waited tables? Do they serve alcohol?

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-06-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:35 +0100, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Mon, 2020-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 12:02, Jake Edmonds via Tagging < > > tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > > While it might be used in Paul’s area, McDonalds

Re: [Tagging] Central European insight needed: cukrászda, cukrárna, cukiernia, ciastkarnia, cukráre?, pasticceria, konditorei, patisserie, ...

2020-07-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-02 at 18:17 +, 德泉 談 via Tagging wrote: > 在 2020年7月2日 星期四 上午7:18 [GMT+8], Paul Allen< pla16...@gmail.com> 寫道: > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:59, Martin Koppenhoefer < > > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 2. Jul 2020, at 00:44, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > > I cannot deny

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-07-22 at 11:32 +0200, bkil wrote: > I think the core idea behind such a restriction is that people only > want to go to that park for walking around (no cross-traffic), and > pushing the bike for half an hour doesn't make much sense and > allowing people to push bikes around would risk

Re: [Tagging] amenity=customer_service RFC

2020-07-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 14:06 +0200, Simon Poole wrote: > Wouldn't most, if not all, cases where this would be used already > be covered by the corresponding (and likely already in use) > shop=* > value? > > > It is also a confusing term to have chosen as prior to reading y

Re: [Tagging] Is there a good way to indicate "pushing bicycle not allowed here"?

2020-07-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-23 at 09:35 -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 22/07/2020 19.05, bkil wrote: > > But also consider that it wouldn't make sense to tag a motorway as > > foot=no + bicycle=dismount (+ moped=dismount + mofa=dismount + > > auto_rickshaw=no + agricultural=no), because the combination of

Re: [Tagging] Hiking "guideposts" painted on rocks, trees etc.

2020-07-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-07-25 at 18:07 +0200, pangoSE wrote: > Fine by me to attach them to whatever. > I would not map them twice. > > Anyway I never met or heard about anyone who wanted to navigate to a > signpost. Usually people navigate to attractions like a lake or a > firepit or a viewpoint or simple f

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-07-30 at 01:45 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > > On 30. Jul 2020, at 00:03, Clifford Snow > > wrote: > > > > The wiki has a raised kerb as any kerb greater than 3cm in height. > > Your definition of a regular kerb is one greater than or equal to > > 10cm >

Re: [Tagging] kerb=regular vs. raised

2020-07-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-07-29 at 20:15 -0400, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2020 at 19:46, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > On 30. Jul 2020, at 00:03, Clifford Snow > > > wrote: > > > The wiki has a raised kerb as any kerb greater than 3cm in > > > height. Your definition of a regular kerb is o

Re: [Tagging] Apparent conflicting/redundant access tags

2020-08-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 13:58 -0700, Tod Fitch wrote: > My reading of the wiki [1] indicates that the more specific tag > overrides the less specific tag. And the transport mode section [2] > of that has examples very much like those in your question. > And: > access=yes > bicycle=no > > Means you c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - more parking types

2020-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-08-07 at 15:09 +0100, Jez Nicholson wrote: > I saw parking_space=takeaway riding on the coattails of the original > postis this not a waiting time restriction? Does it merit its own > value? Perhaps I'm against it because we don't AFAIK have these in > the UK? I am not 100% sure b

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 17:38 +0300, Alexey Zakharenkov wrote: > As a person who have been monitoring and fixing rapid transit > networks (primarity subways) for long I can say that railway > stop_positions make more headache than advantage. Most of > stop_positions look like here: > https://www.ope

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-08-15 at 22:13 +0200, Lisbeth Salander wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Paul Allen > wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, we try to avoid putting two top-level tags on the > > same object because > > of nasal demons: > > http://catb.org/jar

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -Funeral hall

2020-08-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-08-19 at 10:26 +0200, woll...@posteo.de wrote: > Funeral directors are a business, this is a public facility > (generally) > on a cemetery. A mortuary is for storing corpses, that's often > associated to this kind of ceremonial place, but not necessarily. > Looking around my local a

Re: [Tagging] tagging for fairgrounds

2020-08-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 15:29 -0400, Richard Welty wrote: > On 8/27/20 12:35 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > > As is fair. Without further qualification, I'd interpret "fair" as > > a > > (temporary, mobile) funfair: an annual event with fairground rides, > > stalls, etc. I think American usage may tend mor

Re: [Tagging] tagging drinking water of uncleaer official (signed) status

2020-09-06 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-09-07 at 01:57 +0300, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote: > in the united states we say (portable) I suspect the US word is potable, same as GB. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Tagging for board games themed pubs

2020-09-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-09-11 at 11:39 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > board_games=yes seems clearly superior > +1 A lot of pubs have board games available for customers to play, or they did in normal times. Themed implies that is the raison d'etre for the pubs existance and you would only g

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Mon, 2020-10-05 at 01:53 +0100, Paul Allen wrote:On Mon, 5 Oct 2020 > Nope. ID thinks you guys speak mostly Merkin. Somebody will have > copied the Merkin language file for en_AU and maybe changed a few > things. > Changed > BBQ to Barbie, stuff like that. :) > I do remember that some years ba

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

2020-10-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 15:44 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Sun, 4 Oct 2020 at 09:32, Paul Allen wrote: > > However, if we count that as a farm shop then the term essentially > > becomes an alias of greengrocer. > > A greengrocer with a single supplier, but still a greengrocer. > >

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico > wrote: > > Ballarat in Victoria has kerb side parking where the first hour is > > free. > > There is some more information available here: > > > > https://www.ballarat.vic.gov.au/city/parkin

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:10 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:32, stevea > wrote: > > In California, a common (not quite frequent, certainly not always) > > arrangement at malls, supermarkets and other places with parking > > lots (large and small) is a sign that reads "you c

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

2020-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 21 October 2020, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 20:20, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 20:04 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 19:45, Robert Delmenico wrote: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

2020-10-31 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2020-10-31 at 12:08 +0100, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Sa., 31. Okt. 2020 um 11:36 Uhr schrieb Simon Poole < > si...@poole.ch>: > > > > > > > > If there are actual legal differences between taxi and chauffeur > > access somewhere, we could use chauffeur or chauffeur-d

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

2020-11-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-11-04 at 07:26 +1100, Andrew Harvey wrote: > On Tue, 3 Nov 2020 at 23:14, Simon Poole wrote: > > > > > > > > > > We don't seem to have a tagging currently for dedicated pickup > > locations in this kind of context, bus stops etc are > > naturally > > tagg

Re: [Tagging] RFC: vaccination / COVID-19 vaccination centres

2020-11-25 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2020-11-25 at 13:28 +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 at 13:15, Phake Nick wrote: > > I don't thibk it is appropriate to add one-off temporary facilities > > into OSM. > > How temporary is temporary? All of man's works eventually crumble > and > decay. No man-made feature i

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-12-01 at 17:55 +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Given "in the field they may also look like trails." it seems to not > be solvable. > > How mappers are supposed to distinguish them from normal paths? Humans are animals, mammals to be a bit more exact. The non-human path

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 2 December 2020, Jo wrote > > your feet may sink into the mud Wear wellies. though and beware the BULL :-) Make sure you know if it a recognised dairy breed or not. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Sailfish device ___ Tagging maili

Re: [Tagging] RFC Update - Hazard Proposal - rock/land fall/slide

2020-12-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-12-03 at 18:06 +, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 17:54, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > > > I am not exactly happy about "rock slide" as it seems weird to use > > it where > > danger is primarily about individual rocks dropping, not about full > > scale rock

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Hazards - 2 Week Update & RFC Summary

2020-12-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 07:27 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Grid: to warn that you are approaching a cattle grid - we already > have a tag for grids, do we also need a sign to warn that they're > coming up? Welsh example (I have never seen these in England). https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/

Re: [Tagging] Rapids (whitewater) on rivers

2020-12-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2020-12-17 at 17:08 +, ael via Tagging wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:29:52AM -0800, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > Another argument against use of hazard=* for rapids is that the > > hazard key > > has been used almost always with highway=* features, not waterways. > > Not in my par

Re: [Tagging] Is this continouos flow a water tap?

2022-09-27 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 27 September 2022, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > What exactly defines man_made=water_tap? > > Open/close ability? > > Top-down water flow (rather than small upward jet of many > drinking water fountains?) > > Is > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beim_Kiosk_(Anlaga

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 18:39 +0100, Georges Dutreix via Tagging wrote: > Hello, > How would you tag the office of a company providing personnal > services > or care services at home, like gardener, cleaning, assistance for > children, elders or disabled, small repairs, etcetera ? > > The tag offi

Re: [Tagging] care services

2022-11-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2022-11-17 at 19:21 +0100, Georges Dutreix wrote: > > Le 17/11/2022 à 18:52, Philip Barnes a écrit : > > I have used office=home_care for a care company. > > I found as well amenity=personal_service used 110 times > Would be "amenity" better than &qu

Re: [Tagging] Private ambulance / patient transport service

2023-01-03 Thread Philip Barnes
That would be very misleading, these are not the normal public ambulance service crewed by paramedics who you contact in an emergency. There is one locally who provide patient transport between hospitals for the NHS. I would go with a commercial landuse and company=patient_transport and a name.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

2023-01-03 Thread Philip Barnes
Shops selling wool are commonly referred to as wool shops so why not shop=wool? Yarn doesn't seem very intuitive to me as a native English speaker. Phil (trigpoint) On 2 January 2023 17:14:28 GMT, Nate Wessel wrote: >Howdy y'all, > >I am proposing to make official a tag that is already in use t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - yarn shops

2023-01-03 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2023-01-03 at 09:16 -0500, Nate Wessel wrote: > shop=wool ... this seems like almost exactly what I'm proposing. And > is used much more frequently than shop=yarn. > And yet for me, I never even thought to search for this. And the word > 'yarn' doesn't actually appear anywhere on the page

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

2023-01-04 Thread Philip Barnes
On 4 January 2023 22:11:23 GMT, Frederik Ramm wrote: >Hi, > >On 1/4/23 13:05, Marc_marc wrote: >> or nothing due the fact that the only "Mörthe und Mosel“ >> is on https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/51856 >> with a name=* in french :) > >It does have a name:de though, like other French depar

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

2023-01-05 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2023-01-04 at 23:11 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > (b) a silly translation that has no basis in reality ("pont neuf" = > "Neue Brücke", or the recently discovered Latin name "sub tilias" for > the well-known street "Unter den Linden" in Berlin) Just checked this one, it has a name:en of

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

2023-01-09 Thread Philip Barnes
It is likely to be confusing if it is not on the signs leading to the station. Phil (trigpoint) On 7 January 2023 19:10:17 GMT, Alexander Kane <1998alexk...@gmail.com> wrote: >I've been pondering whether to add name:en to European train stations when >the English announcement is usually translate

Re: [Tagging] barrows and tumuli

2023-01-18 Thread Philip Barnes
Long barrows are not always archeological or even historic. Maybe they could be man_made=long_barrow. Phil (trigpoint) On 18 January 2023 15:48:42 GMT, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote: >The last couple of days, I've been looking at tumuli/ barrows on the >map, because it turns out, it's the same. I

Re: [Tagging] barrows and tumuli

2023-01-18 Thread Philip Barnes
ow > >Like many British and Irish barrows (and maybe other areas, but I >haven't looked at those in much detail), they are man_made=cairn, >though, just under a layer of soil. > >Anne > >On 18/01/2023 17:04, Philip Barnes wrote: >> Long barrows are not alway

Re: [Tagging] barrows and tumuli

2023-01-19 Thread Philip Barnes
The one I mentioned is a bit unique. It's not fake or a folly, it is an active place for burials. The internal construction is clear on the current bing imagery. Phil On 19 January 2023 09:04:14 GMT, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >Am Mi., 18. Jan. 2023 um 19:43 Uhr schrieb Philip Bar

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
Diameter implies there is something circular. The paint is often round, not always, but most are just former T junctions or cross-roads where there is nothing to measure the diameter of . Phil (trigpoint) On 25 January 2023 17:50:54 GMT, Volker Schmidt wrote: >Is there an established way to ta

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
On 27 January 2023 21:29:49 GMT, Florian Lohoff wrote: >Hi, > >On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 09:25:32PM +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> I see that I was not precise with my question: I am after a way to tag the >> overall diameter of the round surface composed of the mini-roundabout road >> surface p

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
lculated from the diameters of inner centre circle, outer centre circle >and circumference of the entire traffic area. Would that not only be relevant if trying to do a U turn (which is illegal at mini-roundabout). Phil (trigpoint) > >On 28/01/2023 22:12 CET Philip Barnes wrote: >&g

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-28 Thread Philip Barnes
lgende >> geschreven: >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 09:12:11PM +, Philip Barnes wrote: >>> Diameter implies there is something circular. The paint is often >>> round, not always, but most are just former T junctions or cross-roads >>> where there is n

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-01-29 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2023-01-29 at 14:31 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 12:12:06AM +0000, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > When I first encountered Canadian four way stops in 1980, I did > > think these should be mini-roundabouts. > > Thats the main point. In

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate sport=cricket_nets

2023-01-31 Thread Philip Barnes
I am with Dave on this one. The tag is clear, concise and intuitive. It says exactly what a map user would expect to find Changing to practice_pitch with sport=cricket loses the descriptive nature of the current tag. It just becomes where cricket is practiced instead of where there are nets i

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-02-02 Thread Philip Barnes
A mini roundabout often doesn't usually have a diameter. Most are jus normal junctions which have been made mini-roundabouts to set a priority. So in terms of large vehicles it is the same problem as any other junctions, whether they can turn left or right. In the UK, U turns are prohibited at

Re: [Tagging] tagging the diameter of a mini-roundabout

2023-02-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On 2 February 2023 09:34:08 GMT, Volker Schmidt wrote: >I do have a typical traversable roundabout close by. hgv=no is not correct, >there are commercial activities around that need hgv access. The roads are >adequate for that > >The angle between incoming roads is not a suitabla measure, as th

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate sport=cricket_nets

2023-02-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On 2 February 2023 11:06:04 GMT, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Again sport=soccer implies a rectangular playing field with goals at either >end - that is physical infrastructure. Without the playing field and goals >there cannot be a game of soccer... > Jumpers for goalposts? To be

Re: [Tagging] Slate roof tiles

2023-03-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2023-03-10 at 16:01 +, Timothy Noname wrote: > Slate roof tiles > roof:material=slate > Or > roof:material=roof_tiles > > I admit I've used both in the past. Tiles are totally different to slates, I would never consider a slate to be a tile. Other than being used for roofing, they ar

Re: [Tagging] Slate roof tiles

2023-03-10 Thread Philip Barnes
oof tiles totally different to roof tiles? >They are both manufactured to a certain size and laid in an overlapping >pattern? > >On Fri, 10 Mar 2023, 17:19 Philip Barnes, wrote: > >> On Fri, 2023-03-10 at 16:01 +, Timothy Noname wrote: >> > Slate roof tiles

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-18 Thread Philip Barnes
I have come across a few cases where a mapper has has blindly answered no to a list of octane ratings that do not exist in the country they are mapping in. In the UK it is safe to assume every filling station sells Euro 95/E10 and diesel. The interesting tag is whether it sells 98 or 99/E5. The

Re: [Tagging] Is tagging of fuel: assumed to be exhaustive?

2023-04-19 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2023-04-19 at 00:39 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > > > > Apr 19, 2023, 00:14 by mnalis-openstreetmapl...@voyager.hr: > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 17:08:39 +0200, Marc_marc > > wrote: > > > Le 18.04.23 à 16:53, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : > > > > Is tagging of fuel:

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Barnes
There is at least one trunk road (green signs) which has a B classification. A6 to M6 near Shap. Phil (trigpoint) On Monday, 12 August 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 15:56, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > > > > > If your country's government indicates with signs >

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 12 August 2019, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 12/08/2019 14:36, Paul Allen wrote: > > Where a country-wide classification exists, it is usual for this to be > > reflected in the > > numbering scheme and the signage. In the UK it may not be readily > > apparent whether > > a road is a trun

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On 12/08/2019 19:06, Paul Allen wrote: On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 18:25, Fernando Trebien mailto:fernando.treb...@gmail.com>> wrote: There are all sorts of opinions on this matter, but trying to define classification rules based on physical characteristics or administrative responsibi

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wed, 2019-08-14 at 08:26 +1000, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 21:19, Paul Allen wrote: > > A good example is the A487 passing > > through the centre of the city of Aberystwyth: > > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.4163&mlon=-4.0802#map=15/52.4163/-4.0802 > >

Re: [Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

2019-08-22 Thread Philip Barnes
In British English the term used is Cashback. Although only used once according to taginfo. Its never been something I have thought of tagging, just an option we assume to be available at supermarkets. Phil (trigpoint) On 21/08/2019 19:53, amilopow...@u-cloud.ch wrote: Hello I filed a dra

Re: [Tagging] Keys to which new values can be added without a proposal: craft=, shop=, building=, office=, sport=?

2019-08-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On 17/08/2019 17:02, Andrew Hain wrote: In the UK every business that handles food has its hygiene ratings and usually address published as open data under a licence we can use. Sometimes a business in an unmarked house is listed with an unredacted address; I don’t record the business or the e

Re: [Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

2019-08-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thursday, 22 August 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 13:09, Philip Barnes wrote: > > > In British English the term used is Cashback. > > > I can confirm that. I'm not sure, but I think it's only possible to get > cashback if you make >

Re: [Tagging] Cash_withdrawal draft

2019-08-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On 22/08/2019 15:47, Paul Allen wrote: On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 13:09, Philip Barnes <mailto:p...@trigpoint.me.uk>> wrote: In British English the term used is Cashback. I can confirm that.  I'm not sure, but I think it's only possible to get cashback if you make a purcha

Re: [Tagging] How to distinguish public and private offices?

2019-08-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On 15/08/2019 12:23, Paul Allen wrote: Nevertheless, we probably need something to indicate that sort of thing as there are hairdresses and beauty salons which are operated by a single person and are appointment-only. In the case of hairdressers, the appointment only tag is only an indica

Re: [Tagging] Adding leisure=sports_hall to leisure=sports_centre page

2019-09-05 Thread Philip Barnes
In terms of schools, we call them gyms in the UK too. Certainly not sports halls. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 5 September 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > What is a sports hall? > > Is it what we call a "gym" in America? > > The dictionary definition I found just said it was "a building used

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-10 Thread Philip Barnes
Have not stayed at a campsite that charges for showers for sometime now but many require a token, rather than coins. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 10 September 2019, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > >shower:fee=yes > > I believe "yes/no" is better for fee, since the value may change frequently. > > I

Re: [Tagging] "part:wikidata=*" tag proposal for multiple elements connected to the same wikidata id

2019-09-10 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 9 September 2019, marc marc wrote: > Le 09.09.19 à 16:18, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > > > > > > > > 9 Sep 2019, 15:14 by pella.s...@gmail.com: > > > > Imho:the real problem, why we have multiple objects for > > "name:*" tags? ( admin_centre, label, relation, ... ) > >

Re: [Tagging] Tourist bus stop

2019-09-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 11 September 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 10:43, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > Am Mi., 11. Sept. 2019 um 04:39 Uhr schrieb Leif Rasmussen < > > 354...@gmail.com>: > > > > if both can stop, it is not a tourist bus stop but a regular bus stop > > where c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Campsite properties

2019-09-18 Thread Philip Barnes
Amenity goes back to the term used by estate agents when describing a property as being close to the amenities. The level of which will vary, but in a village you expect the four Ps. Pub, Post Office, Primary School and Parish Church. Living in a small town I would add doctors, cafes, restaurant

Re: [Tagging] [Key:phone] - Suggesting wiki page changing

2019-09-25 Thread Philip Barnes
In the UK it is easy to tell a mobile number, I would not be happy getting a builder who only has a mobile number. It suggests lack of permanent location. Phil (trigpoint) On Wednesday, 25 September 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 at 17:00, Valor Naram wrote: > > > We should not

Re: [Tagging] Was there every a proposal for the disused:key=* / abandoned:key=* lifecycle prefixes?

2019-09-26 Thread Philip Barnes
I can think of at least two pubs in my stamping ground within The Shire which I have never set foot in as they closed before I moved there eight years ago. Both still look like pubs and display their name and look like pubs from a distance. Set to disused:amenity=pub. https://www.openstreetmap

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - footway=indoor

2019-09-26 Thread Philip Barnes
Well indoors they become stairs. True at least in the parts of England/Wales I am from. I believe usage is different in Scotland. Phil (trigpoint) On Thursday, 26 September 2019, Markus wrote: > BTW, i find it very strange that there is a separte highway=* tag for > indoor "flat ways" (i.e. cor

Re: [Tagging] Colby's "Instructions for the Interior Survey of Ireland" (Was: Strange tags)

2019-09-30 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 30 September 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 12:41, Andrew Davidson wrote: > > > On 30/9/19 9:24 pm, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > > > I can't remember where I saw it, or even what I was looking for that led > > > me there. > > > > It in many places but this one will do: >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-09 Thread Philip Barnes
We also map the phone number of phoneboxes using phone=. We do not generally contact phoneboxes. Phil (trigpoint) On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 8. Oct 2019, at 15:40, Colin Smale via Tagging > > wrote: > > > > In that case it makes

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-11 Thread Philip Barnes
On Friday, 11 October 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Fr., 11. Okt. 2019 um 10:26 Uhr schrieb Snusmumriken < > snusmumriken.map...@runbox.com>: > > > > > A level strip of grass can be crossed by any car. With a big SUV you > > can cross curbs and so on. It's just a questions about how big

Re: [Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

2019-10-11 Thread Philip Barnes
Not just the driver. Routing software can be used to determine which vehicle can give the quickest response. Phil (trigpoint) On Friday, 11 October 2019, Snusmumriken wrote: > On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 10:57 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > > > > > 11 Oct 2019, 10:50 by snusmumriken.map...

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sunbathing

2019-10-17 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2019-10-17 at 11:03 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 10:46, Vɑdɪm wrote: > > I think it's no more vague than some many other tags in OSM. > > > > > > > > For example have a look at > > > > > > > > leisure=fishing > > For most rivers in the UK, there are legalities

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (phone)

2019-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 21 October 2019, Warin wrote: > On 21/10/19 09:52, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > I'm in favor of deprecating contact:phone now (and the other > > contact:XXX duplicates later), but I don't know about your other > > proposed changes. > > > > For example, requiring the country code in all

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pedestrian lanes?

2019-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 21 October 2019, Paul Allen wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 08:23, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > > while I am not, I’m pretty sure the British term is pavement, not sidewalk > > > > Yes. It's as idiotic as us Brits calling underpants "pants" because the > sidewalk is paved

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=Gambling & adult_gaming_center tagging conflict

2019-10-21 Thread Philip Barnes
On Monday, 21 October 2019, John Willis via Tagging wrote: > > > > On Oct 22, 2019, at 3:11 AM, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > > > leisure=amusement_arcade ? > > This is between =gambling and =adult_gaming_center, two established tags that > both claim to be the proper way to map a Pachinko parl

Re: [Tagging] Hunting stands, bird and wildlife hides

2019-10-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tuesday, 22 October 2019, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > You may need to look at the context, or ask local people. > > For example many named peaks, streams, saddles have no explicit sign - > you need to ask local people or base it on your own knowledge. > Or use out of copyright mapping. Phil

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote: > So, for those who like definitions: In the UK, a "mini roundabout" is > simply a small roundabout that is either flush to the road or slightly > raised so that large/long vehicles are able drive over it if they need to. > If it has anything on i

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 09:24:30AM +0000, Philip Barnes wrote: > > On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > > So, for those who like definitions: In the UK, a "mini roundabout" is > > > sim

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
It is not just a British thing, I have encountered many when driving in France. The rules and usage are the same as in the UK. The other rule that makes them different to other roundabouts is that you should not use them to turn around, do U turns. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Sailfish d

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

2019-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 23 October 2019, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:42:27PM +0000, Philip Barnes wrote: > > It is not just a British thing, I have encountered many when driving in > > France. > > The rules and usage are the same as in the UK. > > The

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