Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

I would expect a 'lounge' in an hotel as a cosy bar. I don't think the term 'lounge' is sufficient for airports / station / hotel lounges nor that it's a good idea to have a same general tag for them. See also the term 'lounger' discussed recently here. For me, what all lounges have in common is s

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - pruning (tree management styel)

Hi, I created a proposal for mapping the style of how trees are pruned (or not pruned). I made it because I want to be able to map pollards ("knotted willows"), which are siginificant landscape elements in my area. But it's written in such a way that it can easily be extended towards other tree st

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

Hi, I took the very old proposal for a tag for dog toilets and would like to start the vote to tag them as amenity=dog_toilet. The proposal was previously discussed a few times, so you can see this as a very late RFV after those. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dog_Poop_Area

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Yves wrote: > I would expect a 'lounge' in an hotel as a cosy bar. > Or some sort of posh tea room. The word "lounge," to me, very strongly implies the supply of some sort of service that one has to pay for, and it is not a place one can use without a purchase.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

I don't necessarily want to get rid of the word lounge, but an amenity=airport_lounge leaves very little doubt about what it is. Yves Le 10 juin 2018 13:28:17 GMT+02:00, Paul Allen a écrit : >On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Yves wrote: > >> I would expect a 'lounge' in an hotel as a cosy bar.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

Name and description mismatches: "This is an area designated for pets (dogs) urinate and excrete."vs"amenity=dog_toilet" Proposal has multiple versions, if you want to start vote it should clear what is reallyproposed. Adding phot of such area would be useful. 10. Jun 2018 13:03 by joost.schou.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - pruning (tree management styel)

Can you add some images? Even if not present on Wikimedia Commons yet it should be possibleto make some photos. 10. Jun 2018 12:46 by joost.schou...@gmail.com : > Hi, > I created a proposal for mapping the style of how trees are pruned (or not > pruned). I mad

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

Hi, proposing a new (or actually amended) use of the sauna key to specify which kind of sauna the leisure=sauna is. The proposal can be found in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sauna. The proposed values as of now are as follows: – sauna=yes General purpose value – sauna=

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - pruning (tree management styel)

Would this be applicable to tree_rows as well? I know (of) a lot of willows, almost all are in tree_rows and areas covered by wllows. These have maintenance schedules involving pruning every 3-years. I can think of only a few single willows, and none of those (in my opinion) significant enough to w

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

10. Jun 2018 14:01 by jyri-petteri.palopo...@iki.fi : > Hi, > > proposing a new (or actually amended) use of the sauna key to specify > which kind of sauna the leisure=sauna is. The proposal can be found in > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_feat

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Yves wrote: > I don't necessarily want to get rid of the word lounge, but an > amenity=airport_lounge leaves very little doubt about what it is. > Actually, it does leave doubt. Airport lounge as in waiting room? A place with seats and (maybe) a coffee machine

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

On 10.06.2018 15:14, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > What is the point of adding sauna=yes to leisure=sauna? None. sauna=yes is currently apparently used when tagging other features than leisure=sauna that also have a sauna (hotels etc.) I amended the proposed description to state that sauna=yes shoul

[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

I've removed the reference to "pets", however in the real world dog toilets are the actual thing and any pet willing to use it is allowed. So I' don't really see the problem. The four options could be moved somewhere else; I just left them for reference. What should I do with them? I'd hate to jus

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

A “waiting room” is something very different from an airport lounge. In the context of an airport, a waiting room (or rather, waiting area) is something like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Kolkata_Airport_New_Terminal_gate_waiting_area.jpeg They are part of t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

If you are tagging one individual leisure=sauna, it makes sense that the sauna key has only one value. But if you are tagging sauna=* on a hotel or other larger object that contains a sauna, there might be different ones available. In that case, there should be some defined way to allow multip

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

On 10.06.2018 16:14, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: > If you are tagging one individual leisure=sauna, it makes sense that the > sauna key has only one value. > > But if you are tagging sauna=* on a hotel or other larger object that > contains a sauna, there might be different ones av

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - pet

Hi, proposing a new tag pet=* (that is sometimes already used) for similar use as dog=*, ie. for specifying if all pets have access to the amenity. The proposal can be found in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/pet The proposed values as of now are as follows: pet=yes Pets a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 01:16:53PM +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Yves wrote: > > > I don't necessarily want to get rid of the word lounge, but an > > amenity=airport_lounge leaves very little doubt about what it is. > > > > Actually, it does leave doubt. > Waiting

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

> -Original Message- > From: ael > Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2018 23:26 > > In British English, a lounge first and foremost is a room in a > private dwelling. Other uses have "leaked in" from other dialets > and while now fairly well understood in a limited number of > contexts, they are still

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:20 PM, wrote: > > At Stations > > The First Class lounges are open Monday to Friday and are a great place to > work or relax while you're waiting for a train. They offer complimentary > refreshments, WiFi, fax and phone services are available. > Again, these are NOT wai

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

Paul, Given the definition of an airport lounge given earlier (a waiting room reserved for business or first class, operated by airlines company... ), I think the concept is fairly concise. Now expanding this to hotels and dentists is not possible and maybe there is no need to? Stations are mo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

I fully agree that something like a “normal” waiting area, like the area at the gate for an airport, or the waiting room at a hospital, dentist or whatever is not a lounge. Nobody proposed to tag these as amenity=lounge. The proposal is for “A distinct tag for lounges, such as those in airpor

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

You might (or might not) want to reconcile this with https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpublic_bath On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Jyri-Petteri Paloposki < jyri-petteri.palopo...@iki.fi> wrote: > On 10.06.2018 16:14, osm.tagg...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote: > > If you are taggin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

On 10.06.2018 18:34, Johnparis wrote: > You might (or might not) want to reconcile this with > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpublic_bath Thanks for the suggestion! A sauna, at least in Finland, is quite different from a public bath. These two might of course exist in the same p

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

Hi Mateusz, Good point thank you, proposal has been updated. 2018-06-10 2:57 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick : > You say man_made=telephone_exchange is to be replaced with > telecom=central_office, but then also say that a telecom=central_office "is > a small dedicated technical building hosting a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna

It might be interesting to tag the presence of a cold plunge pool/dunking pool. > -Original Message- > From: Jyri-Petteri Paloposki > Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 01:47 > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Sauna > > On 10.06.2018 18:34, Johnpari

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Yves wrote: Given the definition of an airport lounge given earlier (a waiting room > reserved for business or first class, operated by airlines company... ), I > think the concept is fairly concise. > Yes, the concept is concise. As is my response: why bother?

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

this is precisely why I raised the question of whether a lounge is an amenity. it's not open to the general tourist population, for example, like a bank or a pharmacy. On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 6:04 PM, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Yves wrote: > > Given the definition of

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

10. Jun 2018 14:50 by joost.schou...@gmail.com : > The four options could be moved somewhere else; I just left them for > reference. What should I do with them? I'd hate to just delete it. > I edited page to describe them as considered and rejected altern

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

I’m thinking some of the “passive resistance” could be avoided if we expanded/replaced “lounge” with “waiting_room/area”, and shifted tagging to PT (makes sense for the original proposal). I’d argue general tourists can buy into some lounges as well. Anton > 10 июня 2018 г., в 19:15, Johnparis

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 14:50:33 +0200 joost schouppe wrote: > I've removed the reference to "pets", however in the real world dog > toilets are the actual thing and any pet willing to use it is > allowed. So I' don't really see the problem. > > The four options could be moved somewhere else; I just

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On 11 June 2018 at 01:52, François Lacombe wrote: > A telephone exchange is a particular device inside a central office. > We look forward to map places, not devices for now. > > People used to put man_made=telephone_exchange or man_made=MDF to tag a > building/place while it's only particular de

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

2018-06-11 0:14 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick : > Thanks for that, but I'm afraid that the continual OSM worldwide > translation problem is raising it's ugly head yet again. > > In Australia at least, "telephone exchange" refers to the building itself, > which houses the Main Frame (where all the c

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

On 11/06/18 02:51, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 10. Jun 2018 14:50 by joost.schou...@gmail.com : The four options could be moved somewhere else; I just left them for reference. What should I do with them? I'd hate to just delete it. I edited page t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On 10/06/2018 23:42, François Lacombe wrote: 2018-06-11 0:14 GMT+02:00 Graeme Fitzpatrick >: Thanks for that, but I'm afraid that the continual OSM worldwide translation problem is raising it's ugly head yet again. In Australia at least, "telephone e

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:07 AM, Andy Townsend wrote: Are you sure that's a British English term? It's not one I've heard in > regular use* in 25 years of working on and off with telecoms companies in > the UK or a few other places around the world. It may be that the people > that I was deali

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - pruning (tree management styel)

Photos are available for OSM use  .. look on the branches (pun) of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruning  for photos. Comments; This would also apply to an area, landcover=trees/tree/tree_row and shrubs. Oh and orchards and vineyards - they are all regularly pruned .. might be a default value

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On 11 June 2018 at 08:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > On 11 June 2018 at 01:52, François Lacombe > wrote: > >> A telephone exchange is a particular device inside a central office. >> We look forward to map places, not devices for now. >> >> People used to put man_made=telephone_exchange or man

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Lounges

+1 for more defined tagging and a new top level tag for airport/hotel lounges, a facility mostly designed to provide comfort. They exactly a regular cafe, bar or restaurant, so although changing tags means they'll drop out of most OSM apps, in the long term I think it's worth it. Could we simply u

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

On 11/06/18 10:15, Andrew Harvey wrote: On 11 June 2018 at 08:14, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: On 11 June 2018 at 01:52, François Lacombe mailto:fl.infosrese...@gmail.com>> wrote: A telephone exchange is a particular device inside a central

[Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

I was looking at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency today. Can we add a tag for `emergency=first_aid_kit` ? thanks, Bryan ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lis

[Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

I was looking at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency today. We have too many tags for different kinds of lifeguards. This is too confusing. I don’t want to have to show all these choices to iD users. tag uses https://wiki.ope

[Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

I was looking at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency today. Someone just made this page for emergency=fire_alarm_box a few weeks ago https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfire_alarm_box

[Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

I’ve had a few recent conversations about this proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/transit Unfortunately I can’t support it. Not only is the name bad (it should be named `transition:lanes` but whatever),

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

That seems reasonable to me. From: Bryan Housel Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 14:08 To: osm-tagging Subject: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit I was looking at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency today. Can we add a tag for `emergency=first_aid_kit` ? thanks, Bryan

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

These are different things, and the differentiation should definitely not simply thrown away. Though I’m not fundamentally opposed to making it a hierarchical tag along the lines of: emergency=lifeguard lifeguard=base/place/platform/tower Also, water_rescue_station is probably identi

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

I think having this level of separation is very important and we should encourage tagging the exact type of lifeguard facility over a generic emergency=lifeguard. However in the same way the generic highway=road can be used if the highway classification isn't known, we could add emergency=lifeguar

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

> Though I’m not fundamentally opposed to making it a hierarchical tag along > the lines of: > emergency=lifeguard > lifeguard=base/place/platform/tower Sounds good - lets do it! What are the next steps? > All the usual arguments for and against trying to change tags “by decree” > apply… Be

Re: [Tagging] emergency=first_aid_kit

Sounds good to me. It could probably replace https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Aemergency%3Drescue_box which seems like a special kind of first_aid_kit. On 11 June 2018 at 14:08, Bryan Housel wrote: > I was looking at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:emergency today. > > Can we ad

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

The first thing fire alarm box brought to my mind was the common "Break glass" fire alarms http://www.az100years.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/photodune-781034-fire-alarm-s.jpg, which are found just about everywhere, so would be virtually unmappable? Is there risk of confusion between the two? T

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

I noticed there are also 24 uses of emergency=fire_callbox, which I assume is something similar. And, surprising, just 1 uses of a more generic fire_alarm. I'm not sure if there really is an important enough distinction between a fire alarm box and a fire alarm as you find them inside buildings

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

> Also, water_rescue_station is probably identical to lifeguard_base Agree based on the description given at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dwater_rescue_station it sounds like lifeguard_base. Just based on the tag name I thought it meant something like https://en.wikipedia.

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_alarm_box

Just because something “can be found just about anywhere” isn’t really a valid argument for not mapping it. If someone is doing detailed indoor mapping of building and wants to map emergency features, the location of fire alarms is certainly something I would consider to be worthwhile mappin

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

On 11 June 2018 at 15:16, Bryan Housel wrote: > > Sounds good - lets do it! > What are the next steps? > Let's wait for people to weigh in, and see if we have a consensus on which way to proceed. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https:

Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard

From: Andrew Harvey Sent: Monday, 11 June 2018 15:31 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] emergency=lifeguard > Also, water_rescue_station is probably identical to lifeguard_base Agree based on the description given at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

Hi! Just a question. I think someone else (or maybe myself) asked it on a previous discussion. You provide means to tag collection bags and bins. How do we tag when we only have the bins (but not a dedicated poop area)? Thanks. Greetings from Madrid, José Moya El lun., 11 de junio de 2018 0:54,

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - Dog poop area (dog_toilet)

There is already: amenity=waste_basket + waste=dog_excrement often co-located with a: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:vending%3Dexcrement_bags Tagging of collection bags and bins should probably make use of existing tags for such features instead of adding new ones. Sam

Re: [Tagging] I can't support transit:lanes

For JOSM see https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/11054 11. Jun 2018 06:42 by bhou...@gmail.com : > I’m not going to add a special rule in iD to warn people if they are > splitting a way with a lane transition tag.  I don’t w

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Telecom local netwoks

Hi all Le lun. 11 juin 2018 à 01:29, Paul Allen a écrit : > It also states that in the UK, the switchgear is a telephone exchange and > the building the switches > are housed in is called a telephone exchange (we Brits aren't very > inventive where terminology is concerned). > Then we do have a