2010/10/18 Noel David Torres Taño :
> On Lunes 18 Octubre 2010 04:08:13 Richard Welty escribió:
>> On 10/17/10 11:00 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
>> > So, are you saying that a shop that was located in a kiosk building, but
>> > sold merchandise other than "cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks
Am 15.10.2010 15:02, schrieb Emilie Laffray:
On 15 October 2010 13:55, mailto:j...@jfeldredge.com>> wrote:
How would you handle the situation of what is on the sign being in
more than one character set, such as a sign being labeled in both
English (in Roman letters) and Arabic (in
Hi,
I started rename amenity=fire_hydrant to emergency=fire_hydrant as it is
describe in the wiki. I checked there's no rendering in mapnik styles
and t...@h.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dfire_hydrant&redirect=no
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Em
I agree with Martin.
We need to distinguish between the building=kiosk that is a one room solitary
building, from the shop=kiosk activity because somewhere the kiosk moved from
the solitary building to some windows in a bigger building.
Gianfra
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:16:19 +0200
> Fr
maybe:
building=kiosk
shop=newsagent
and just leave it to local knowledge to know whether a newsagent
typically sells sweets/tobacco/tickets
The only one I'd have said was worth tagging individually was whether
they sell bus tickets:
bus_tickets=yes/no?
Richard
> I agree too to the actual shop=kiosk system, since it refers to what is
> actually sold at certain places
> "a little shop selling cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages"
I strongly disagree.
"shop=kiosk" is a very strange kind of tag. It says all about design of a
shop, but says
2010/10/18 SURLY_ru :
>> I agree too to the actual shop=kiosk system, since it refers to what is
>> actually sold at certain places
>> "a little shop selling cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages"
>
> I strongly disagree.
> "shop=kiosk" is a very strange kind of tag. It says all abou
2010/10/17 Richard Weait :
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>> 2010/10/17 Eugene Alvin Villar :
> This
>
> http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22drive+through%22%2C+%22drive-through%22
>
> suggests the popular form is not hyphenated, but two words.
OK, interesting, ev
On 18.10.2010 10:42, SURLY_ru wrote:
So there is no typical assortment of goods sold in kiosks.
May be in the international scope - and therefore you are right, I think.
It would be better
to tag kiosks as ordinary shop (shop=convenience, shop=news_agent,
shop=greengrocer or even shop=general)
2010/10/17 Frank Weber :
> I came across a zoo where within the area of tourism=zoo the individual
> vivariums are tagged as leisure=park,name=[species] (e.g. elephants,
> penguins). Looking at other zoos I saw them tagged as zoo=compound,name=
> [species].
> If no, I
> neither like leisure=park fo
Le 18/10/2010 09:31, Rodolphe Quiedeville a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I started rename amenity=fire_hydrant to emergency=fire_hydrant as it is
> describe in the wiki. I checked there's no rendering in mapnik styles
> and t...@h.
[...]
I forgot to say that I've opened a ticket to fix the JOSM presets :
h
On 10/18/10 4:27 AM, Richard Mann wrote:
maybe:
building=kiosk
shop=newsagent
and just leave it to local knowledge to know whether a newsagent
typically sells sweets/tobacco/tickets
The only one I'd have said was worth tagging individually was whether
they sell bus tickets:
bus_tickets=yes/no?
However, a shop, located in a kiosk, that is selling "cigarettes, newspapers,
sweets, snacks and beverages" is not selling kiosks, so labeling it with
shop=kiosk breaks the "label according to the merchandise sold" principle. A
shop that sold kiosks would be selling the buildings to would-be bu
On 10/18/10 9:04 AM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
However, a shop, located in a kiosk, that is selling "cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks
and beverages" is not selling kiosks, so labeling it with shop=kiosk breaks the "label
according to the merchandise sold" principle. A shop that sold kio
On 19 October 2010 00:04, Richard Welty wrote:
> this is why i'd prefer to see something like this:
>
> shop=newstand
> kiosk=yes
You could indicate the type of kiosk, eg
kiosk=stand|building etc
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On Lunes 18 Octubre 2010 08:55:49 Gianfra g escribió:
> I agree with Martin.
>
> We need to distinguish between the building=kiosk that is a one room
> solitary building, from the shop=kiosk activity because somewhere the
> kiosk moved from the solitary building to some windows in a bigger
> build
Am 17.10.2010 19:21, schrieb Frank Weber:
I came across a zoo where within the area of tourism=zoo the individual
vivariums are tagged as leisure=park,name=[species] (e.g. elephants,
penguins). Looking at other zoos I saw them tagged as zoo=compound,name=
[species].
Hi Frank,
please note that
The standard usage of "kiosk", in most of the world, is to describe a type of
building. The word comes from Farsi (the language spoken in Iran), and
referred to a garden pavilion. The standard usage in English is to a small,
one-room building, with a window open on one or more sides.
Even by
Am 18.10.2010 15:04, schrieb j...@jfeldredge.com:
However, a shop, located in a kiosk, that is selling "cigarettes, newspapers, sweets, snacks
and beverages" is not selling kiosks, so labeling it with shop=kiosk breaks the "label
according to the merchandise sold" principle. A shop that sold k
I'm wondering if there's any benefit in mapping "paper streets" -
streets that have been officially dedicated to the government by the
former landowner but that have not (yet) been constructed. For
example, they may explain a truncated grid
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.39687&lon=-81.50172&
This is the best we've been able to come up with:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#What_happens_if_another_map_says_a_road_exists_but_isn.27t_really_there.3F
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On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:04 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/10/17 Richard Weait :
>> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 5:37 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
>> wrote:
>>> 2010/10/17 Eugene Alvin Villar :
>
>> This
>>
>> http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22drive+through%22%2C+%22drive-through%22
>>
>> suggests
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote:
> So a supermarket is selling "super markets"?!?
>
>
arf ;-)
And the next proposal will be to replace amenity=pharmacy by
building=pharmacy + shop=drugs; thermometer=yes
Pieren
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2010/10/18 Ulf Lamping :
> Am 18.10.2010 15:04, schrieb j...@jfeldredge.com:
>>
>> However, a shop, located in a kiosk, that is selling "cigarettes,
>> newspapers, sweets, snacks and beverages" is not selling kiosks, so labeling
>> it with shop=kiosk breaks the "label according to the merchandise s
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> I'm wondering if there's any benefit in mapping "paper streets" -
> streets that have been officially dedicated to the government by the
> former landowner but that have not (yet) been constructed. For
> example, they may explain a truncat
"Paper streets" in a partially-built subdivision are more likely to be
developed in the near future than is a totally-imaginary city located where no
development is currently planned. So, they are likely to be of more interest
to people. Any such proposed streets should be replaced, over time,
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> I'm wondering if there's any benefit in mapping "paper streets" -
> streets that have been officially dedicated to the government by the
> former landowner but that have not (yet) been constructed. For
> example, they may explain a truncat
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Anthony wrote:
> I'm not aware of any hyphens which are converted into underscores, let alone
> that this is "predominantly" the case. And even if it is "predominantly"
man_made=pier
power=sub_station
A key or a value don't have to be correct grammatical English
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> I'm wondering if there's any benefit in mapping "paper streets" -
>> streets that have been officially dedicated to the government by the
>> former landowner but that have not (yet) been
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> I'm wondering if there's any benefit in mapping "paper streets" -
IMHO yes. If you remember a few months ago I was asking about a
confusing situation where a street appeared on Google Maps, but not on
OSM. When I arrived at the location,
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> IMHO yes. If you remember a few months ago I was asking about a
> confusing situation where a street appeared on Google Maps, but not on
> OSM. When I arrived at the location, it didn't exist. If it had been
> mapped on OSM *as a paper street
Am 19.10.2010 00:10, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
could be either food or newspapers/tobacco/sweets/etc. and/or lotto
and/or public transport tickets and/or telephone cards and/or flowers
etc., so it doesn't fit into shop=xy because it doesn't allow to
deduct what is sold/which service is offered
2010/10/19 Ulf Lamping :
> Use building=kiosk for a kiosk like building.
+1
> Use shop=kiosk for a shop that sells kiosk like stuff.
my point was that there is no "kiosk like stuff"
> If something else is sold, use shop=florist, shop=xy ...
something else then what? Should every country/r
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:37 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> "Paper streets" in a partially-built subdivision are more likely to be
> developed in the near future than is a totally-imaginary city located where
> no development is currently planned. So, they are likely to be of more
> interest to p
On 10/18/10 7:23 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/10/19 Ulf Lamping:
Use shop=kiosk for a shop that sells kiosk like stuff.
my point was that there is no "kiosk like stuff"
precisely. we have kiosks all over the place, what they
sell varies quite a lot.
newstands in the US sell the stuf
2010/10/18 Rodolphe Quiedeville :
> Le 18/10/2010 09:31, Rodolphe Quiedeville a écrit :
>> I started rename amenity=fire_hydrant to emergency=fire_hydrant as it is
>> describe in the wiki. I checked there's no rendering in mapnik styles
>> and t...@h.
> [...]
>
> I forgot to say that I've opened a
2010/10/18 Nathan Edgars II :
> I'm wondering if there's any benefit in mapping "paper streets" -
> streets that have been officially dedicated to the government by the
> former landowner but that have not (yet) been constructed. For
> example, they may explain a truncated grid
> (http://www.openst
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:46 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/10/18 Nathan Edgars II :
>> I'm wondering if there's any benefit in mapping "paper streets" -
>> streets that have been officially dedicated to the government by the
>> former landowner but that have not (yet) been constructed. For
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Pieren wrote:
> I think that OSM should by a project about mapping the present, not the past
> or the future. What is the "near future" ? 2 months, 2 years, 20 years ? We
> have far enough to do just to keep the data up to date.
The focus should be the present, b
Am 19.10.2010 01:23, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
my point was that there is no "kiosk like stuff"
I'm not living in a black and white world - do you?
There's a list of stuff potentially sold in a kiosk (at least here in
germany).
I don't know if I can buy public transport tickets at a spec
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Anthony wrote:
>> I'm not aware of any hyphens which are converted into underscores, let alone
>> that this is "predominantly" the case. And even if it is "predominantly"
>
> man_made=pier
> power=sub_statio
2010/10/19 Ulf Lamping :
> Am 19.10.2010 01:23, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
>> my point was that there is no "kiosk like stuff"
> There's a list of stuff potentially sold in a kiosk (at least here in
> germany).
I know, and from a German perspective it's easier to follow you, but
this is not a G
On 10/18/10 7:52 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
It is for this reason that I prefer underscores myself.
So service=drive_through it is?
that would certainly be my preference.
richard
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2010/10/19 Nathan Edgars II :
>>> Some of these qualify for highway=proposed. But if there are no
>>> current plans to build them, would it be a good idea to map them as
>>> (for example) highway=paper name=*?
>>
>> usually they are mapped
>>
>> highway=proposed
>> proposed=primary/motorway/etc,
>
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 8:05 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> sorry, overlooked that. If there are no "current" plans to build them,
> what are the plans about? If they are planned to be build sometime,
> they would qualify for proposed, if they are not intented to be build,
> don't map them (at l
Am 18.10.2010 12:20, schrieb Rodolphe Quiedeville:
Le 18/10/2010 09:31, Rodolphe Quiedeville a écrit :
Hi,
I started rename amenity=fire_hydrant to emergency=fire_hydrant as it is
describe in the wiki. I checked there's no rendering in mapnik styles
and t...@h.
[...]
I forgot to say that I've
On 10/18/10 8:40 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote:
There has been a very lengthy discussion about the emergency category
- and there wasn't a clear outcome. There wasn't a consensus if the
change is useful at all and it's still unclear what should be in the
emergency category and what not.
it looked pr
Am 19.10.2010 02:53, schrieb Richard Welty:
On 10/18/10 8:40 PM, Ulf Lamping wrote:
There has been a very lengthy discussion about the emergency category
- and there wasn't a clear outcome. There wasn't a consensus if the
change is useful at all and it's still unclear what should be in the
emer
What if a country does have kiosks, but the list of goods most often sold at
kiosks is different than what the usual list would be in Germany? Are we
likely to end up with an edit war on the wiki? I thought one of the goals was
to try to make the tags reflect international usage, not just the
On Martes 19 Octubre 2010 02:28:39 John F. Eldredge escribió:
> What if a country does have kiosks, but the list of goods most often sold
> at kiosks is different than what the usual list would be in Germany? Are
> we likely to end up with an edit war on the wiki? I thought one of the
> goals was
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