Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

On 17/08/2010, at 2:09 AM, Matthias Meißer wrote: > Yes soft moderation by the community but therefore the community needs some > central space and some guidelines. You already see the lack of voters, just > cause it's to decentral communication atm. It's also because some people (myself include

[Tagging] Wiki q: rolling many proposals into one

Hello, Following discussion about power tagging, I'd like to propose several things in one go: - A couple of new tags - Changing all the power_* tags to power:* tags, to make them more object-oriented So we would go from: power=generator power_rating power_source (changed by proposals) power_ou

Re: [Tagging] Non Proposed Features

I see your point James, so might moving /Proposed to a more general term solve a part of the problem? I agree that voting isn't a very nice sollution for acceptance of an idea but I like the style of having a garage where everybody is free to see my idea and to extend it :) regards Matthias

Re: [Tagging] Wiki q: rolling many proposals into one

Hi Tom, to me this sounds very good. I recommend to ask user:Bahnpirat before, and invite him to work on this proposal. He makes the whole power=* rendering things... regards Matthias ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lis

Re: [Tagging] Wiki q: rolling many proposals into one

On 19 August 2010 11:24, digi_c wrote: > to me this sounds very good. I recommend to ask user:Bahnpirat before, and > invite him to work on this proposal. He makes the whole power=* rendering > things... > > Thanks, I will do that. Regards, Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:40:13 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Anthony > wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Paul Johnson >> wrote: >>> The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of the >>> bicycle=destination tag; if it's more major than reside

Re: [Tagging] Is cycleway:right=lane necessary on a one-way street?

2010/8/19 Steve Bennett : > A single cycle lane which can be ridden in both directions: > oneway=yes > cycleway=opposite_lane > (or cycleway:right=opposite_lane for more precision) but doesn't this not just reduce the bike traffic to the opposite direction? Would you say that the oneway direction

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Ed Loach wrote: > Anthony: > >> Ugh, another point: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_ >> Categories >> >> Putting all the elements which have addresses referencing a >> street >> into a relation seems to me to violate that principle

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Ed Loach wrote: > Anthony: > >> Ugh, another point: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Relations_are_not_ >> Categories >> >> Putting all the elements which have addresses referencing a >> street >> into a relation seems to me to violate that principle

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:40:13 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Anthony >> wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Paul Johnson >>> wrote: The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of t

Re: [Tagging] Vacant shop tagging...

2010/8/19 Craig Wallace : >> IMHO a shop is a shop because it is officially commercial space (and >> not residential), it has a separate entrance (usually from the >> street), it has appropriate windows, etc. Of course there might be >> exceptions, but I think you get it. > > I disagree. A shop is

Re: [Tagging] Vacant shop tagging...

One distinction sometimes made in American English is between "shop" (meaning a retail business) and "storefront" (the location in which such a business is typically located, particularly if it is within a larger building). For example, if a professional office is located among a group of store

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On 18/08/2010 23:39, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:40:13 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of the bicycle=destination tag;

[Tagging] ISWC Workshop, Semantic Repositories, SERES.

Natasha Noy, Peter Yim and Jeff Pan will be at our round table discussion. Keynote speakers: Natasha Noy and Peter Yim == CALL FOR PAPERS == 1st International Workshop on Semantic Repositories for the Web (SERES 2010) http://www.ontologydy

[Tagging] Tagging individual properties?

I'm curious, what would be the best way to tag the boundaries of individual properties? Or SHOULD I even attempt this? The Cadestral data for Manitoba is available from the Manitoba Lands Initiative under a free for use license, so I was thinking of incorporating this data. I've converted a bit

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Anthony wrote: > > Of course they have a relation. However, the relation is like the one > between HSBC and its ATMs. It is an exclusive relation - an address > only refers to one streeet. > > Please stop using this example of HSBC, it does not apply here. A rel

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Anthony wrote: >> >> Of course they have a relation.  However, the relation is like the one >> between HSBC and its ATMs.  It is an exclusive relation - an address >> only refers to one streeet. >> > > Please stop u

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On 8/19/10 10:10 AM, Anthony wrote: And even if you add the add:street, nothing says in which town. Do you know of any houses which are in a different town from the street in their street address? in the case of the US, postal addresses are tied to post offices, not to towns. a short distanc

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010/8/19 Anthony : >> And what happens if the name is not exactly the same ? > > Then there's an error that needs to be fixed. > >> That's why some contributors prefer the relation. > > Right problem, wrong solution. So, if the name of a street is changed for whatever reason, I have to go through

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Richard Welty wrote: >  On 8/19/10 10:10 AM, Anthony wrote: >> >>> And even if you add the add:street, nothing says in which town. >> >> Do you know of any houses which are in a different town from the >> street in their street address? > > in the case of the US,

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2010/8/19 Anthony : >>> And what happens if the name is not exactly the same ? >> >> Then there's an error that needs to be fixed. >> >>> That's why some contributors prefer the relation. >> >> Right problem, wrong solution. > > So, if the

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010/8/19 Anthony : > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Simone Saviolo > wrote: >> 2010/8/19 Anthony : And what happens if the name is not exactly the same ? >>> >>> Then there's an error that needs to be fixed. >>> That's why some contributors prefer the relation. >>> >>> Right problem,

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2010/8/19 Anthony : >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Simone Saviolo >> wrote: >>> 2010/8/19 Anthony : > And what happens if the name is not exactly the same ? Then there's an error that needs to be fixed. > That'

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Anthony wrote: > That's backwards, though, and the implementation is quite costly from > a performance perspective. When you add an address to a street, do you want to upload the entire associatedStreet relation, or upload the one address? __

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On 19.08.2010 16:27, Simone Saviolo wrote: > So, if the name of a street is changed for whatever reason, I have to > go through the, maybe, several hundreds of house numbers on that way, > change the addr:street on every single one of them, and then hope the > name isn't changed again too soon? No

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010/8/19 Tobias Knerr : > On 19.08.2010 16:27, Simone Saviolo wrote: >> So, if the name of a street is changed for whatever reason, I have to >> go through the, maybe, several hundreds of house numbers on that way, >> change the addr:street on every single one of them, and then hope the >> name is

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On 19.08.2010 17:09, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2010/8/19 Tobias Knerr : >> On 19.08.2010 16:27, Simone Saviolo wrote: >>> So, if the name of a street is changed for whatever reason, I have to >>> go through the, maybe, several hundreds of house numbers on that way, >>> change the addr:street on every

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On 19 August 2010 16:54, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Basic address editing, however, requires more knowledge if implemented > using relations - which is bad, because editing addresses is one of the > most basic tasks and would otherwise be well suited for new mappers. > "Click on the building whose add

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 08:40:13 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Anthony >> wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Paul Johnson >>> wrote: The way I've been handling this is to stretch the limits of t

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On 19.08.2010 18:28, Tom Chance wrote: > On 19 August 2010 16:54, Tobias Knerr > wrote: > > Basic address editing, however, requires more knowledge if implemented > using relations - which is bad, because editing addresses is one of the > most basic tasks

Re: [Tagging] Tagging individual properties?

On 19 August 2010 23:09, Tyler Gunn wrote: > > I'm curious, what would be the best way to tag the boundaries of > individual properties? Or SHOULD I even attempt this? A way to do this would be to map any fence lines marking the boundaries. > The Cadestral data for Manitoba is available from th

Re: [Tagging] Tagging individual properties?

> A way to do this would be to map any fence lines marking the boundaries. That's a possibility. Though I have no way to be sure where the fences extend to in the front half of the properties. Probably not worth it now that I think of it. > Have you checked it for accuracy? The DCDBLite data

Re: [Tagging] Tagging individual properties?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Tyler Gunn wrote: > > I'm curious, what would be the best way to tag the boundaries of > individual properties? Or SHOULD I even attempt this? > The Cadestral data for Manitoba is available from the Manitoba Lands > Initiative under a free for use license, so I wa

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

2010/8/19 Anthony : > between HSBC and its ATMs.  It is an exclusive relation - an address > only refers to one streeet. that's not always true. I know of a Pizza take away which is at the corner of a block, it has two addresses (one on each road), but is just one small place, not 2. cheers, Mar

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:06:57 +0100, Dave F. wrote: > It's also "poor form" to mis-use tags & therefore corrupt the map. It's also poor form to be adversarial and abusive in every communication you've had with me. > There appears to be clear consensus here that your using *=destination > incorr

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:51:49 -0400, Anthony wrote: > I apologize for not being more clear. By "please don't do that" I do > not mean to "revert all instances of Paul using bicycle=destination". I > hope you will take a look at your uses of bicycle=destination yourself, > and self-revert any place

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:51:49 -0400, Anthony wrote: > >> I apologize for not being more clear. By "please don't do that" I do >> not mean to "revert all instances of Paul using bicycle=destination". I >> hope you will take a look at your uses

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On 19/08/2010 22:01, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:06:57 +0100, Dave F. wrote: It's also "poor form" to mis-use tags& therefore corrupt the map. It's also poor form to be adversarial and abusive in every communication you've had with me. I'm fully entitled to disagree with you

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:33:17 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > There's no such thing as an "immediately adjacent" bicycle boulevard; > there's going to be at least one block between. That would be a difference without distinction. ___ Tagging mailing l

Re: [Tagging] Tagging individual properties?

On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:18:30 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 19 August 2010 23:09, Tyler Gunn > wrote: >> >> I'm curious, what would be the best way to tag the boundaries of >> individual properties? Or SHOULD I even attempt this? > > A way to do this would be to map any fence lines marking the b

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Dave F. wrote: > I'm fully entitled to disagree with you, especially when I've given clear > reasons for doing so. > > I've been polite to you in all communications. > > It is you that has solely been abusive. Not only to me, including private > correspondence, but

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 4:30 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/8/19 Anthony : >> between HSBC and its ATMs.  It is an exclusive relation - an address >> only refers to one street. > > that's not always true. I know of a Pizza take away which is at the > corner of a block, it has two addresses

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] collection/street relation: which one to use?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2010/8/19 Tobias Knerr : >> On 19.08.2010 16:27, Simone Saviolo wrote: >>> So, if the name of a street is changed for whatever reason, I have to >>> go through the, maybe, several hundreds of house numbers on that way, >>> change the addr:s

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:26:41 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > You need to understand that your interpretation of the law is probably > wrong, and listen to sources such as the Bicycle Transportation > Alliance, whose email I copied to this list. Rather than trusting a bunch of non-lawyers over at

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:26:41 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> You need to understand that your interpretation of the law is probably >> wrong, and listen to sources such as the Bicycle Transportation >> Alliance, whose email I copied to thi

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:26:41 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >> You need to understand that your interpretation of the law is probably >> wrong, and listen to sources such as the Bicycle Transportation >> Alliance, whose email I copied to thi

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Anthony wrote: > And/Or maybe Nathan can give a few examples of ways which he feels you > have tagged incorrectly? Burnside Street: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/44706996 (including adjacent ways extending from 2nd Avenue on the east to 24th Place on the

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Fri, 20 August, 2010 10:00:36 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Anthony wrote: > > And/Or maybe Nathan can give a few examples of ways which he feels you > > have tagged incorrectly? > > Burnside Street: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/44706996 > (includi

Re: [Tagging] Is cycleway:right=lane necessary on a one-way street?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:32 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > but doesn't this not just reduce the bike traffic to the opposite > direction? Would you say that the oneway direction is already > implicit? cycleway=opposite_lane means travel in *both* the forward direction, and the backward directi

Re: [Tagging] Is cycleway:right=lane necessary on a one-way street?

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:32 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> but doesn't this not just reduce the bike traffic to the opposite >> direction? Would you say that the oneway direction is already >> implicit? > > cycleway=opposite_lane mean

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:30:36 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Anthony > wrote: >> And/Or maybe Nathan can give a few examples of ways which he feels you >> have tagged incorrectly? > > Burnside Street: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/44706996 > (including

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:10:25 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Dave F. > wrote: >> I'm fully entitled to disagree with you, especially when I've given >> clear reasons for doing so. >> >> I've been polite to you in all communications. >> >> It is you that has solel

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > State Street in Salem has that sign. Thanks for playing. I stand what I > said about you being rude. You didn't say one street had it. Let's review what you told me: > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > > The ground tr

Re: [Tagging] Shoulder and traffic indicator tags

On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 12:40 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:30:36 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> Burnside Street: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/44706996 >> (including adjacent ways extending from 2nd Avenue on the east to 24th >> Place on the west) > > Couch is the