Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Jan 24, 2020, 13:50 by pla16...@gmail.com: > On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 10:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> > wrote: > >> >> &&   Deleting a non-functioning fountain node, is discouraged >> But in case of removed structure deletion >> of node is encouraged. >> > >

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-24 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 10:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > && Deleting a non-functioning fountain node, is discouraged > But in case of removed structure deletion > of node is encouraged. > There are some (I'm one of them) who would say that if the fount

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-24 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
23 Jan 2020, 19:14 by europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com: > operation_status = XXX  - for fountains which are not operational on a > specific sighting > In such case I would add an OSM note and ask for a resurvey. And report issue to local government. With this tag it is hard to guess whatever it

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-23 Thread European Water Project
Hello, To summarize the discussion so far : All the following are acceptable ways to tag a fountain : operation_status = XXX - for fountains which are not operational on a specific sighting disused:--- when the observation or observations leads the mapper to believe there is a good chance

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20. Jan 2020, at 16:34, marc marc wrote: > > but to switch to disused: if there's no water on the day of the survey, > I think that's excessive. for the drinking fountains in my area seeing there is no water does indeed justify to put it on disused, while it’s in theo

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread European Water Project
Dear Marc/Martin, Would it be possible to prepare a "best practice" proposal for how fountains which are temporarily not working should be tagged ? If so, how can I create the wiki template to be filled in - I am happy to work on the first draft. I am quite agnostic about which solution is chose

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread marc marc
I'm using operation_status when I see a such one. and I'm trying to survey again later to see if it was a temporary problem or if it's disused: but to switch to disused: if there's no water on the day of the survey, I think that's excessive. Le 20.01.20 à 15:59, European Water Project a écrit : >

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread European Water Project
Hi Martin, disused:amenity=drinking_water is very good. Is this documented as best practice for drinking fountains which are not running without explanation? How do you document an out of ourder tagged fountain which was "amenity=fountain && drinking_water=yes" ? disused:drinking_water=yes ? Be

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 20. Jan. 2020 um 16:01 Uhr schrieb European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com>: > Wouldn't it make more sense for mappers to tag status=broken or status=out > _of_order instead of deleting ? > personally I have changed them to "disused:amenity=drinking_water" (and back then)

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread European Water Project
Dear Martin, Wouldn't it make more sense for mappers to tag status=broken or status=out_ of_order instead of deleting ? best regards, Stuart On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 15:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 03:16 Uhr schrieb Jarek Piórkowski < > ja...@piorkowski.ca>: > >> Ah

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 03:16 Uhr schrieb Jarek Piórkowski < ja...@piorkowski.ca>: > Ah, good point! So I guess for a drinking fountain seasonal=yes is the > most reasonable when I don't know the months when it's active (I'm in > a climate that freezes, so they get shut down sometime before that)

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 16. Jan. 2020 um 02:53 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > seasonal=summer > > Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100% > clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in > the summer" or "this feature is NOT available

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-16 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 00:51, European Water Project wrote: >>5. Re: Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water >> fountains. (Jarek Piórkowski) >> Jarek, I think preferable to avoid seasons on open hours and put >> month range to avoid Northern/Southern hemisphere

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-16 Thread marc marc
Le 16.01.20 à 02:52, Joseph Eisenberg a écrit : > The simple "seasonal=yes/no" is at least clear, though with natural > features "intermittent=yes/no" is more common and has a similar > meaning. I see a big difference between the two: an intermittent water point provides water today but not tomorr

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread European Water Project
u, 16 Jan 2020 10:52:29 +0900 > From: Joseph Eisenberg > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for > outdoor water fountains. > Message-ID: > x5bzo6rqxhmild...@mail.g

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 20:52, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > seasonal=summer > > Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100% > clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in > the summer" or "this feature is NOT available in the summer". Ah, good point! So

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> seasonal=summer Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100% clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in the summer" or "this feature is NOT available in the summer". As mentioned on the wiki page "Note these values can be ambiguous for features that

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 01:19, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > On 1/15/20, European Water Project wrote: > > Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain > > (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and > > drinking_water = yes" )? > > Since drinking f

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Jmapb
On 1/15/2020 10:26 AM, marc marc wrote: Le 15.01.20 à 16:15, Jmapb via Tagging a écrit : Don't forget about man_made=drinking_fountain! omg, what's the diff with amenity=drinking_water ? the direction of water flow upwards? 348 out of 371 objects also have an amenity tag, which shows the prob

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 15 January 2020, marc marc wrote: > Le 15.01.20 à 16:15, Jmapb via Tagging a écrit : > > On 1/15/2020 12:55 AM, European Water Project wrote: > >> Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain > >> (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fo

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.01.20 à 16:15, Jmapb via Tagging a écrit : > On 1/15/2020 12:55 AM, European Water Project wrote: >> Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain >> (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and >> drinking_water = yes" )? > > Don't forget a

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Jmapb via Tagging
On 1/15/2020 12:55 AM, European Water Project wrote: Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and drinking_water = yes" )? Don't forget about man_made=drinking_fountain! J ___

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread marc marc
Le 15.01.20 à 06:55, European Water Project a écrit : > Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain yes I think so. I'm going to check/survey the nearby fountains: some are closed in winter but don't have a precise opening/closing date. __

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
According to the wiki page for "service_times": "The key service_times=* is generally used for the times of service of a given feature, if this is different from the opening hours or if a special service (like in the case of churches) is offered in this time. Otherwise please use opening_hours=*."

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mi., 15. Jan. 2020 um 07:20 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > Since drinking fountains are man-made rather than natural features, > they usually have a date when they are turned on or off. > > This can be specified with the key "opening_hours=*" - this is the > commo

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-14 Thread Warin
On 15/1/20 4:55 pm, European Water Project wrote: Dear All, Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and drinking_water = yes" )? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seasonal On the natural

Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water fountains.

2020-01-14 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Since drinking fountains are man-made rather than natural features, they usually have a date when they are turned on or off. This can be specified with the key "opening_hours=*" - this is the common British English term used to say "when is this this feature open and available". See https://wiki.