> > 3. Re: Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water > fountains. (Joseph Eisenberg) > >>>> Joseph, of all the suggestions I have seen. Open hours seems the > cleanest and least ambiguous
> 5. Re: Query regarding seasonal tag combined for outdoor water > fountains. (Jarek Piórkowski) > >>>> Jarek, I think preferable to avoid seasons on open hours and put > month range to avoid Northern/Southern hemisphere confusion. What do you > think? > ------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:52:29 +0900 > From: Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for > outdoor water fountains. > Message-ID: > <CAP_2vPh0ky3LKKpoFirWy=7DPMqnz1UJ= > x5bzo6rqxhmild...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > seasonal=summer > > Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100% > clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in > the summer" or "this feature is NOT available in the summer". > > As mentioned on the wiki page "Note these values can be ambiguous for > features that that vary between different states since it can be > unclear which state occurs at which time of the year." > > For a drinking fountain I would assume that "seasonal=summer" meant > "available only in summer), but for a natural spring in a hot, > dry-summer climate, I would have to assume that "seasonal=summer" is a > mistake which meant "not present in summer", though it should have > been tagged "seasonal=autumn;winter;spring" perhaps. > > And here in the tropics it is every more confusing to interpret > "seasonal=wet_season" and "seasonal=dry_season" - one expects > "seasonal=dry_season" for roads and "seasonal=wet_season" for rivers, > but this is not always used properly. > > The simple "seasonal=yes/no" is at least clear, though with natural > features "intermittent=yes/no" is more common and has a similar > meaning. > > On 1/16/20, Jarek Piórkowski <ja...@piorkowski.ca> wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 01:19, Joseph Eisenberg > > <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 1/15/20, European Water Project <europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > Would it be appropriate to use the tag "seasonal" for a water fountain > >> > (whether tagged as "amenity=drinking_water" or "amenity = fountain and > >> > drinking_water = yes" )? > >> > >> Since drinking fountains are man-made rather than natural features, > >> they usually have a date when they are turned on or off. > >> ... > >> For a drinking fountain which is turned on sometime in April and is > >> turned off sometime in November, you can use "opening_hours=Apr-Nov". > >> > >> If the fountain or drinking fountain will be turned on April 10th and > >> turned off November 25th, you would use "opening_hours=Apr 10-Nov 25" > > > > What is the recommendation in cases where the months when they are > > turned on and off are not easily determined? I have been thinking of > > seasonal=summer but happy to take a better tag instead. > > > > Thanks, > > --Jarek > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tagging mailing list > > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > > > > > > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:14:45 -0500 > From: Jarek Piórkowski <ja...@piorkowski.ca> > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Query regarding seasonal tag combined for > outdoor water fountains. > Message-ID: > <CACV3h2kE68w96bzCf3= > 9eksxog9bgy18xg6nsxu_aerzg56...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 at 20:52, Joseph Eisenberg > <joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > seasonal=summer > > > > Well, this is the problem with the tag "seasonal" - it's not 100% > > clear if "seasonal=summer" means "this feature is only available in > > the summer" or "this feature is NOT available in the summer". > > Ah, good point! So I guess for a drinking fountain seasonal=yes is the > most reasonable when I don't know the months when it's active (I'm in > a climate that freezes, so they get shut down sometime before that). > That's decently human-readable and I'd guess most people will guess > right when informed that the fountain is "seasonal". > > Unfortunately I've just now started noticing that these are shut off > and while I guess they were actually shut down closer to November... > > I was also thinking about public toilets that get closed off in the > winter (I think because they're not heated, so no water in winter?) - > I guess opening_hours=off @ (winter) is the best we can do if we don't > know when they are closed off. > > (I'm keeping in mind that "winter" isn't unambiguous, but I hope > software can apply a rough preset based on hemisphere in which the > feature is located?) > > --Jarek > > > >
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