Re: [Tagging] When is I oppse vote invalled

If I vote 'no' it is because I've listened to all the discussions and feel that I've been left with no alternative. My decision should be respected. Stated reasons are often taken as an opportunity to browbeat the dissenters into taking it back. On Sun, 17 Nov 2024, 20:18 Brian M. Sperlongano, wr

Re: [Tagging] Postal verses locational addresses

IMHO OSM addresses are physical, 'locational' addresses and it is the anomalous postal addresses that need to have their own schemeif at all. On Wed, 13 Sep 2023, 17:33 Philip Barnes, wrote: > > > On 12 September 2023 10:28:11 CEST, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >On 12/9/23 03:5

Re: [Tagging] Postal verses locational addresses

There's https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:delivery_point but I wasn't convinced by the description On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, 10:15 Warin, <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > HI, > > I am coming across cases of OSM entered addresses on buildings that are > some kilometers from the nominated address

Re: [Tagging] Adding 'flood' as value to the key 'hazard' (to be used in combination with the tag boundary=hazard)

/06/2023 20:47, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Whilst it is a great idea to capture local knowledge about flooding, > especially where it is currently not available, I am concerned that this > doesn't have on-the-ground verification. > > I don't think that anyone has sugges

Re: [Tagging] Adding 'flood' as value to the key 'hazard' (to be used in combination with the tag boundary=hazard)

Whilst it is a great idea to capture local knowledge about flooding, especially where it is currently not available, I am concerned that this doesn't have on-the-ground verification. Flood risk areas are predictions generated via modelling software and it depends on which software you use, and the

Re: [Tagging] road accident memorials

There is also the slightly derogatory term 'cellotaph' for a memorial of flowers in cellophane wrapper, with a memorial card. Whilst temporary in construction, they are often replaced/refreshed annually. In the UK they are tied to lampposts, fences, walls, etc. at the site of a collision. On Sun,

Re: [Tagging] Help with new tags about wheelchair accessibility for On Wheels app

Hi Robin, Are you in communication with WheelApp? Obviously they don't have an exclusive on wheelchair mapping, but they will have a lot of experience with OSM accessibility tagging and might be able to help. There may be a niche Discord channel or something about it. - Jez On Wed, 3 May 2023, 0

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 11/2/23 21:23, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > I see what you are saying, but 'dry swamp' feels slightly odd. Is there > something like 'intermittent wetland' that is more appropriate? > > > It is 'slightly odd' ... in that

Re: [Tagging] dry swamps

I see what you are saying, but 'dry swamp' feels slightly odd. Is there something like 'intermittent wetland' that is more appropriate? On Sat, 11 Feb 2023, 10:11 Warin, <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The ‘dry swamp’ has no apparent way to tag it. These will not be found in > Europe, just as yo

Re: [Tagging] Tagging of places where whipper chargers / cream blower capsules can be recycled

Personally, I would call it a 'nitrous oxide canister' and not by it's use. E.g. https://www.nlwa.gov.uk/reducereuserecycle/recycle/whatcanwerecycle/laughing-gas-canisters On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 15:09 Lukas Toggenburger via Tagging, < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Dear list > > I am looking f

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a point-of-interest sign

Did you go for tourism:information_board? Personally I would expect it to be a form of road sign rather than an information board, which is on the spot itself and not normally aimed at drivers. On Thu, 29 Dec 2022, 18:55 Volker Schmidt, wrote: > I have now checked on Gmaps: that sign is not on t

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

When the lifeboat is permanently moored at a particular location it is less transitory than a busso people can and do tag them. Not me necessarily, but other mappers. So, my request that amenity=lifeboat be removed from the proposal's list of incorrect tags as it is *not* a lifeboat station.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - Proposed features/emergency=lifeboat station

Re: deprecating amenity=lifeboat Is amenity=lifeboat actually wrong? The ones in the UK at least are actual lifeboats, showing where they are moored, probably with a lifeboat station nearby. On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:00 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Following our previous discussions, I've now

Re: [Tagging] Cloths Lines

Even though doing the washing is a chore, a shared facility that is useful to you for getting your clothes drymakes it an amenity. You don't have to like using it. On Sat, 8 Oct 2022, 10:41 Warin, <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > While we thinking of water features and how to make some sense

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards (frost heave?)

As long as your frost heave conforms to verifiability guidelines by being either: a) signposted (possibly) b) fenced off, with a sign (no, because it's in the road) c) a government-declared hazardous area (no) I'm concerned that this hazard tagging proposal will encourage subjective tagging over w

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

I believe that a key point is that these threshing floors have protected status in Portugal and Spain due to their historical significance. The suggestion of using 'historic[al]' is to represent this. In other parts of the world, where it is in current use and not ancient/protected then perhaps it

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Rideshare Access

As a Brit, I would say, "private hire vehicle (PHV)" for a minicab, Uber etc. 'vehicle' not meaning only motorised. On Sat, 31 Oct 2020, 18:00 Joseph Eisenberg, wrote: > It's almost never standard to use access=bus or access=taxi, it's > bus=yes/no/designated + taxi=yes/no/designated added to

Re: [Tagging] Parking fee only after some time period

I have the opposite conclusion about fee=yes/no. These are free-to-use short-term car parks that have a clause to prevent people from 'misusing' them for office parking, etc. I would expect a free car park to be fee=no + a warning of charge after long stay. On Wed, 21 Oct 2020, 00:01 Andrew Harve

Re: [Tagging] Battery swapping spot in a charging station or being an individual tag?

Myself, I would prefer *not* to have a new tag. Swapping a battery is a form of recharging and can be detailed in a subtag. On Tue, 6 Oct 2020, 04:51 德泉 談 via Tagging, wrote: > When my e-scooter run out of energy I would go to the swapping stations to > have a new battery since the battery must

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - electricity:source

For questions on ground-truth, the proposal page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/electricity:source cites examples such as the e-bike charging station with its own solar panels supplying the electricity https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Solar-Stromtankstelle_in_Allentst

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] "Limitations on mapping private information" - wiki page

"why this page resides in the main namespace and not in the responsible proposer's user space?" - it's a wiki, we are generally a libertarian group, there are no restrictions on creating a page other than wanting to be relevant. I personally find it relevant. On Wed, 16 Sep 2020, 14:47 bkil, wrot

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

Q: if I mark a road as tree_lined=both and later map all the individual trees, do I remove the tree_lined=both tag as I now have finer detail? On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:45 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 14. Aug 2020, at 06:57, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > I can

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - more parking types

I saw parking_space=takeaway riding on the coattails of the original postis this not a waiting time restriction? Does it merit its own value? Perhaps I'm against it because we don't AFAIK have these in the UK? On Fri, 7 Aug 2020, 15:02 Paul Allen, wrote: > On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 14:40, Matthe

Re: [Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

Frederik asks, "was our voting process changed recently", to which I believe the answer is, "yes, abstentions are no longer included in the count" Please correct me if I'm mistaken. I don't at first glance see anything in the process rules, but I'm outside in the sun using a phone... On Tue, 4 Au

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

Yes, and no. It gets tricky. Look at the Thames, which is tidal up to Teddington Lock, but you wouldn't really say that Richmond is "on the coast" now would you? But for flood risk assessment it is in danger of tidal/coastal flooding. On Sat, 1 Aug 2020, 17:27 Alan Mackie, wrote: > > > On Sat, 1

Re: [Tagging] Map maintenance with StreetComplete - Preferred tagging

There must have been a long discussion on this, and I don't want to rehash it, but i'm surprised there was a positive response to adding check_date for individual attributesI can understand a check_date for a whole feature (as with the construction site), so for example a bus stop, I might be a

Re: [Tagging] Intermittent highways?

I believe there was a recent discussion on showgrounds and temporal events. "temporal" as opposed to "temporary" as in "happens regularly every week/month/year for a set period of time at the same location". Up until recently, OSM has been strongly against temporal objects, but German Christmas mar

Re: [Tagging] Open-air stage

Perhaps the definition of amphitheatre having to surround the stage is too strict? Surely it is still an amphitheatre if the stage is at the front like a Greek theatre? Doesn't seem to be much consensus on existing examples. Taormina Greek Theatre https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/42403497 Re

Re: [Tagging] Milk Churn Stands

"It's only been used once so we shouldn't document it until it becomes popular" Discuss and use by all means. Thank you for providing a copy-and-paste response :) On Sat, 20 Jun 2020, 13:44 Paul Allen, wrote: > Recently I was digging for some details of a farm I was mapping and came > across

Re: [Tagging] Replace the "DecoTurf" value

Is 'acrylic' not already a value in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface along with a number of others? On the soccer page these are listed as examples of surface, so maybe tennis just needs similar on the wiki? On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 2:08 PM Steve Lee wrote: > I think the lack of pr

Re: [Tagging] Replace the "DecoTurf" value

My personal interest is in outdoor artificial soccer pitches, and to a user the surface classification is important to me (a 5G pitch is very different to a 2G), but I don't necessarily expect it to be rendered. In tennis, is there only one type of acrylic hardcourt, or are there variations? On

Re: [Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

You might need to divide 'data user' into: 'data processors (?)' - those that extract, manipulate, and combine data ready to use/display. 'database users' - those that use/display the information with minimal preprocessing. Recent discussions appear to be a mismatch between the needs of the 2.

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

Absolutely, I have no wish to delete Chistmas markets. A strong case has been made for their cultural significance in Germany. On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:25 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > On 25. Feb 2020, at 08:10, Jez Nicholson wrote: > > Chri

Re: [Tagging] Photo-stand-in

amenity=photo_stand-in as it is a usable public object? or attraction=photo_stand-in as it is tourist related? On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:16 AM Marc Gemis wrote: > Hello, > > would it be OK to use photo_stand_in as value for the playground key? > Or is there a better British English word to descr

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

Whilst I'm firmly against tracking codes, we could give the benefit of the doubt and assume that they just cut-and-paste the URL and did not intend to place tracking. The best practice notes on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website could easily include a note about not inadvertently incl

Re: [Tagging] Annual Shows

Temporal events really do not belong in OSM. I can see a good argument for Parkruns (the route exists in between runs and is used every week), or for annual shows held on a permanent showground, Christmas markets less so. Delete it. On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, 06:45 Graeme Fitzpatrick, wrote: > > On

Re: [Tagging] Landfills timespan

; Am Do., 20. Feb. 2020 um 11:34 Uhr schrieb Jez Nicholson < > jez.nichol...@gmail.com>: > >> in the UK at least, people just didn't keep records because "out of >> sight, out of mind". >> > > > > that's what they tell you... > > &g

Re: [Tagging] Landfills timespan

Mapping of things that cannot be verified on-the-ground has to be a very special case. Such as underground power cables. A currently active landfill and a completed/capped-off landfill are not the same thing. One is verifiable on-the-ground, the other is not. One has a [surface] landuse of being a

Re: [Tagging] Tagging the presence or absence of signs for surveillance cameras

In general, are these signs physically on the camera, or are they in the vicinity? If so, should they be tagged objects in their own account? On Wed, 19 Feb 2020, 10:54 John Sturdy, wrote: > Whatever the concensus in another discussion was, I think that double > negatives will risk confusion, an

Re: [Tagging] Unremovable bollards

Looking at Taginfo I'm now in an existential crisis over the 124 bollards that are simultaneously not bollards "bollard":"no". C'eci n'est pas un bollard? On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, 11:31 Florimond Berthoux, wrote: > Hi, > > Checking https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bollard#values > unremov

Re: [Tagging] Relation for multi-part artworks

I would quite happily call a collection of statues near to each other an "artistic site", similar to a wind farm being a collection of turbines On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:49 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 at 12:41, marc marc wrote: > > > > Le 06.02.20 à 13:20, Andy Mabbett a écrit :

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

Work with Wikidata to link the GVP article to their record on the volcano, and only have the Wikidata link in OSM. On Wed, 29 Jan 2020, 20:07 Paul Allen, wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 19:58, Clifford Snow > wrote: > >> >> I like the suggestion of having a link to GVP article. >> > > +1 > > --

Re: [Tagging] All European Union countries use E5/E10/B7 instead of gasoline 98/95, Diesel 10S respectively

I would welcome a section on the wiki page about the EU coding scheme, but I draw the opposite conclusion to the original poster: existing tag value counts show that the community are very clearly against using EU fuel codes in the EU; the current tag values can be/are used worldwide; therefore the

Re: [Tagging] Active volcanoes

..or follow the Wikidata:id and link out to another data source like https://volcano.si.edu/ to avoid transient data in OSM On Fri, 24 Jan 2020, 15:24 Alessandro Sarretta, < alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 24/01/20 15:52, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > > How to tag its recent activity, ie

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

Yesbut (I believe that) this tag is driven by the 'refill scheme' use case, which should be identifiable on-the-ground by displayed information. Data could be collected by apps built by the schemes. The general case of "will a retailer give me free water as a customer" case is discussed to see

Re: [Tagging] Addition of amenity=conference_center to Map Features page

Yes, there's a big issue with the tag, it isn't in British English, the official language of OSM. I'd like to check that iD hasn't got it in its presets. On Sat, 11 Jan 2020, 04:05 Joseph Eisenberg, wrote: > Another wiki user recently added amenity=conference_center to the list > of Map Feature

Re: [Tagging] Use of a site relation for grouping parking spaces

Alessandro: good work! Andy T.: site relations are used for onshore wind farms as the 'farm' is the collection of turbines and not the areas in-between which are still used for farming, etc. It _might_ apply to a solar farm where fields of panels are not contiguous, but generally we have used a si

Re: [Tagging] Service road - Can it be a driveway if serving multiple houses?

Personally, I would only call the short bits of tarmac that spur off that service road as 'driveways' because they each go to a single house. I'm sure that there are examples of shared driveways in the UK but I would consider them rare. On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 1:52 PM Dave F via Tagging wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

AFAIK the traffic regulations are: 1. You should *avoid* doing a U-turn at a mini roundabout because there isn't much room to turn in, and people might not be expecting it. You are still allowed to do so. 2. *only* drivers of long/large vehicles may only drive over it. Everyone else has to drive ro

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

So, for those who like definitions: In the UK, a "mini roundabout" is simply a small roundabout that is either flush to the road or slightly raised so that large/long vehicles are able drive over it if they need to. If it has anything on it, like a lamp post, it is a "roundabout". It is not the siz

Re: [Tagging] Default values for surface by road category and country

Do you mean the default values in a particular piece of software, e.g. iD? On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, 11:06 Volker Schmidt, wrote: > I am trying to figure out where the surface default values by road > category and country are defined. > Anyone who knows more about the subject? > > > > >

Re: [Tagging] "not:brand" to mark a shop that isn't part of a chain?

+1 for the not: namespace. It stops people inventing new negation tags with slightly different wording. Searches could take it into account even. On Sat, 14 Sep 2019, 07:25 Joseph Eisenberg, wrote: > "noname=yes" is used when a feature like a road doesn't have a name. > > The tag :not:name=XXX"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Campsite properties

I fixed the image linkit didn't like the space between '=' and 'File:' On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:19 PM Sven Geggus wrote: > Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > > That's an interesting idea. I don't know much about this concept > > myself, so it would be better if this were kept separate. Is it like

Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas

You are wanting to tag something that is identifiable on-the-ground. It could be of great social value. What's not to like? The question is more about the detail rather than whether it should happen. Has there been any discussion about https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets appl

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Governance

Hi Roland, I guess this is for your upcoming SotM session "New processes to agree on tagging suggestions and their interaction with the editing software available on openstreetmap.org" https://2019.stateofthemap.org/sessions/PPTHFQ/ If I were tackling this as a consultancy project I might map out

Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas

A 'watsan:' namespace appears unnecessary unless these are areas specifically sponsored by Watsan. and I noticed a typo/autocorrect from Warin "...posting on the HOT list is for Open *Deification* Areas" which may lead to the creation of gods rather than other items. On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 3:40 A

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Utility markers

Arriving fresh to a proposal, my first action would be to look at what is currently in OSM. There are 6,043 "marker"="stone", which is 81.5% of the usage of "marker" in OSM. I would expect the proposal to support current usage. I would then look at "power":"marker" and be very concerned to see 35,

Re: [Tagging] Tag for a milk_shake shop?

The Shakeaway down in Brighton is "shop"="beverages" at the moment. On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 3:06 PM ael wrote: > How do I tag a shop that sells milk shakes? > > This one: https://shakeshop.co.uk/menu/ > > I have used > amenity=milk_shakes > and > shop=dairy > for now. > > But shop=dairy seems mis

Re: [Tagging] Using destination_sign relations for pedestrian navigation

FYI, Antoine is referring to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign and there are 66,391 currently in OSM. On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:31 AM Antoine Riche via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Hello. > > We are working with SNCF, the french railway company, to prov