Am 27.10.2010 01:13, schrieb Dave F.:
On 26/10/2010 21:03, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
The WTO definition is better for mapping purposes. Otherwise I have to
decide if a hotel is used by 'business' guests or 'holiday' guests.
These uses of a hotel do overlap.
Err.. Yes, you're correct the use of a
On 26/10/2010 21:03, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
The WTO definition is better for mapping purposes. Otherwise I have to
decide if a hotel is used by 'business' guests or 'holiday' guests.
These uses of a hotel do overlap.
Err.. Yes, you're correct the use of a hotel does overlap.
But we were discus
On 25/10/2010 09:29, Simone Saviolo wrote:
For example, what would you tag this?
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Vercelli,+Piedmont,+Italy&ll=45.314604,8.414012&spn=0.001633,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=45.314594,8.413845&panoid=VAMbvxwaZiigA_JUOfHBkw&cbp=12,348.5,,0,31.53
highway=
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Noel David Torres Taño
wrote:
> Thanks to both. My problem is this: I have a street in a city, in a pedestrian
> zone, but it is small enough to be unsuitable for cars.
>
> Near that, I have another one, just in the limits of the urban zone (maybe we
> can call it
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Noel David Torres Taño
wrote:
> Thanks to both. My problem is this: I have a street in a city, in a pedestrian
> zone, but it is small enough to be unsuitable for cars.
I don't think there's a clear line. If it has a name that suggests it
was once a normal street,
On Martes 26 Octubre 2010 22:33:35 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer escribió:
> 2010/10/26 Noel David Torres Taño :
> > There are two values highway=footway and highway=pedestrian and I do not
> > know which are the differences between them. The wiki does not contain a
> > decisive difference mark.
>
> footway
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Erik Johansson wrote:
> Basically pedestrian is for things in urban areas, like streets,
> footway is for paths in parks and in woods..
Not quite. Sidewalks in urban areas are highway=footway.
Highway=pedestrian is essentially something that could be a normal
high
2010/10/26 Noel David Torres Taño :
> There are two values highway=footway and highway=pedestrian and I do not know
> which are the differences between them. The wiki does not contain a decisive
> difference mark.
footways are generally smaller. pedestrian indicates a road but with
limited or no
Basically pedestrian is for things in urban areas, like streets,
footway is for paths in parks and in woods..
This shows a street ment for walking
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian
This shows a path made for walking:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootw
Hello all:
There are two values highway=footway and highway=pedestrian and I do not know
which are the differences between them. The wiki does not contain a decisive
difference mark.
Which is the point I must use to differentiate between them?
Thanks
Noel
er Envite
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On 10/25/2010 10:29 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote:
> For example, what would you tag this?
>
> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Vercelli,+Piedmont,+Italy&ll=45.314604,8.414012&spn=0.001633,0.004128&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=45.314594,8.413845&panoid=VAMbvxwaZiigA_JUOfHBkw&cbp=12,348.5,,0,31.53
P
2010/10/26 Elizabeth Dodd :
> The WTO definition is better for mapping purposes. Otherwise I have to
> decide if a hotel is used by 'business' guests or 'holiday' guests.
> These uses of a hotel do overlap.
IMHO this is an argument against tourism as such: it is not even clear
what the tag is ab
2010/10/26 Nathan Edgars II :
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:43 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>> as already pointed out, I didn't intent literally "their real spatial
>> position" to indicate the stop itself, as this would only cause
>> problems (e.g. if the sign is hung above the road, is on both
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:31:40 +0200
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I am speaking of narrow (in
> all cases below 1 metre, I'd say less then 0.5 m actually, usually
> 20-30 cm). They have to be not planned, not maintained, ground
> surface: they are simply there because people (or animal) use them.
On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 14:14:23 +0100
"Dave F." wrote:
> On 23/10/2010 13:36, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > I was astonished as well:
> > "Tourism is travel for recreational, leisure or business purposes.
> > The World Tourism Organization defines tourists as people who
> > "travel to and stay in p
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:43 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> as already pointed out, I didn't intent literally "their real spatial
> position" to indicate the stop itself, as this would only cause
> problems (e.g. if the sign is hung above the road, is on both sides
> etc.), and the precise posit
2010/10/26 Nathan Edgars II :
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:16 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>> 2010/10/26 Anthony :
>>> See attached. Do both streets have a stop sign, or does one street
>>> have two stop signs?
>> I'd say: bad mapping. Put the signs nearer to the road so it is clear
>> which r
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Peter Wendorff
wrote:
> Am 26.10.2010 20:35, schrieb Anthony:
>>>
>>> Perhaps you are right - but please, can you give me an example?
>>> I cannot imagine why there should be a stop sign without intersection.
>>
>> I'll try to get you an example, but first you have
Am 26.10.2010 20:35, schrieb Anthony:
Perhaps you are right - but please, can you give me an example?
I cannot imagine why there should be a stop sign without intersection.
I'll try to get you an example, but first you have to precisely define
"intersection" using words like "way", "node", "high
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Peter Wendorff
wrote:
> Am 26.10.2010 20:00, schrieb Anthony:
>>
>> Right, that's where the 99%/1% thing comes into place. I don't think
>> it's true that 100% of stop signs face opposite the nearest
>> intersection. So there has to be a tag for those exceptions.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Peter Wendorff
wrote:
> Am 26.10.2010 20:00, schrieb Anthony:
>>
>> Right, that's where the 99%/1% thing comes into place. I don't think
>> it's true that 100% of stop signs face opposite the nearest
>> intersection. So there has to be a tag for those exceptions.
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Peter Wendorff
wrote:
> While I agree completely at avoiding relations, that's a hard task for the
> router.
> It's extremly much work to take in account data combined with the data you
> need only via the coordinates as source.
Node on the way, highway=stop, stop
Am 26.10.2010 20:00, schrieb Anthony:
Right, that's where the 99%/1% thing comes into place. I don't think
it's true that 100% of stop signs face opposite the nearest
intersection. So there has to be a tag for those exceptions.
Now, you could say that the tag is only needed for those exception
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:16 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/10/26 Anthony :
>
>
>> See attached. Do both streets have a stop sign, or does one street
>> have two stop signs?
>
> I'd say: bad mapping. Put the signs nearer to the road so it is clear
> which road they apply to. Also probably
Am 26.10.2010 17:50, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
2010/10/26 Nathan Edgars II:
You'd probably need a relation to assign each stop sign to the street.
This seems like a lot of work for something so common.
no, you wouldn't need any relation and would give the work over to the router.
While I agr
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:16 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/10/26 Anthony :
>> See attached. Do both streets have a stop sign, or does one street
>> have two stop signs?
> I'd say: bad mapping. Put the signs nearer to the road so it is clear
> which road they apply to.
So are we putting t
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/10/26 Nathan Edgars II :
>> How would you handle this case? http://www.leevartanian.com/2008/07/02/alto/
>> It makes more sense to mark where you have to stop, not where the sign
>> telling you to stop is.
>
> I don't know the legi
2010/10/26 Anthony :
> See attached. Do both streets have a stop sign, or does one street
> have two stop signs?
>
I'd say: bad mapping. Put the signs nearer to the road so it is clear
which road they apply to. Also probably one sign would be sufficient
on the right side (in normal conditions
2010/10/26 Nathan Edgars II :
> How would you handle this case? http://www.leevartanian.com/2008/07/02/alto/
> It makes more sense to mark where you have to stop, not where the sign
> telling you to stop is.
I don't know the legislation there, but in the areas I know this sign
could be ignored b
2010/10/26 sylvain letuffe :
> Some people advocate this should be a tagged as
> highway=path+via_ferrata_scale=something, I don't.
I agree, that would harm more then help.
> But the informal path this thread is about, unless I haven't been able to
> understand what it really is, could be saf
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>
> Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
>>
>> please no new highway, path/footway is already a very controversial tag.
>>
> (...)
> I don't say stuff can't be expressed currently, but it would
> make the life of mappers, renderers, routers much easier if there was
> a way
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Peter Wendorff
wrote:
> Am 26.10.2010 16:50, schrieb Anthony:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Nathan Edgars II
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Smith
>>> wrote:
On 27 October 2010 00:17, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>
>>>
Am 26.10.2010 16:50, schrieb Anthony:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Smith wrote:
On 27 October 2010 00:17, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
What's wrong with something like highway:forward=stop or
highway:backward=stop for the node w
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:46 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/10/26 Anthony :
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
>> wrote:
>>> What about putting stop signs beside the way at their actual position?
>>> This would indicate the direction automatically (dependent if the
>
On 10/26/2010 05:32 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
you _are_ to use this tag, go ahead ;-)
Thanks, but it’s not that I feel restricted from using this tag. I just
don’t feel the need to tag paths as being informal; highway=path is
quite enough for my purposes.
—Alex Mauer “hawke”
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> What about putting stop signs beside the way at their actual position?
> This would indicate the direction automatically (dependent if the
> traffic is right or left-sided) and is error prone to direction
> changes of the way. Any pote
2010/10/26 Nathan Edgars II :
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>> What about putting stop signs beside the way at their actual position?
>> This would indicate the direction automatically (dependent if the
>> traffic is right or left-sided) and is error prone to dir
2010/10/26 Nathan Edgars II :
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
> There are also places where you have to stop but there isn't a stop
> sign per se.
of course. You will have to stop if there are pedestrians crossing for instance.
> There may be STOP painted on t
2010/10/26 Anthony :
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:01 AM, wrote:
>> The amount of delay varies according to the traffic, particularly in cases
>> where one cross-street is not required to stop at the intersection. I have
>> encountered intersections where, at rush hour, you effectively can't ma
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Anthony wrote:
> If a way has to stop before approaching the
> intersection from one direction but not the other (relatively
> uncommon), you split the way.
Hmm, I guess that would be relatively common with small streets
crossing dual carriageways. Darn.
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>> What about putting stop signs beside the way at their actual position?
>> This would indicate the direction automatically (dependent if the
>> traffic is right or left-sid
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> What about putting stop signs beside the way at their actual position?
> This would indicate the direction automatically (dependent if the
> traffic is right or left-sided) and is error prone to direction
> changes of the way. Any pote
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:01 AM, wrote:
> The amount of delay varies according to the traffic, particularly in cases
> where one cross-street is not required to stop at the intersection. I have
> encountered intersections where, at rush hour, you effectively can't make a
> left turn from the
What about putting stop signs beside the way at their actual position?
This would indicate the direction automatically (dependent if the
traffic is right or left-sided) and is error prone to direction
changes of the way. Any potential router could evaluate those in
preprocessing while building the
The amount of delay varies according to the traffic, particularly in cases
where one cross-street is not required to stop at the intersection. I have
encountered intersections where, at rush hour, you effectively can't make a
left turn from the side street, or go straight across, because the tr
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Smith
> wrote:
>> On 27 October 2010 00:17, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>>> What's wrong with something like highway:forward=stop or
>>> highway:backward=stop for the node where one must stop?
>>
>> E
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John Smith wrote:
> On 27 October 2010 00:17, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> What's wrong with something like highway:forward=stop or
>> highway:backward=stop for the node where one must stop?
>
> Editors won't honour that sort of detail, so if the direction of the
>
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Adam Schreiber wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> What's wrong with something like highway:forward=stop or
>> highway:backward=stop for the node where one must stop?
>
> How does that capture intersections where one of the roads
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> But a stop sign isn't a restriction; it has the main effect of slowing
> average speed. If our router is so precise that the seconds added by a
> stop sign count, it can easily calculate the nearest intersection to
> each stop sign node t
On 27 October 2010 00:17, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> What's wrong with something like highway:forward=stop or
> highway:backward=stop for the node where one must stop?
Editors won't honour that sort of detail, so if the direction of the
way is flipped for what ever reason than the direction added
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Adam Schreiber wrote:
> I think that 4-way and 3-way stops can be handled unambiguously by
> highway=stop. More complex stops should probably be modeled with turn
> restrictions.
>
> type=restriction
> restriction=stop
> roles=from,to,via
But a stop sign isn't a
On 26 October 2010 20:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2010/10/26 John Smith :
>> On 26 October 2010 07:53, Alex Mauer wrote:
>>> I would consider those to be informal=yes, were I to use this tag.
>>
>> As Felix pointed out, that doesn't add anything useful to describe the
>> current state of the
2010/10/26 John Smith :
> On 26 October 2010 07:53, Alex Mauer wrote:
>> I would consider those to be informal=yes, were I to use this tag.
>
> As Felix pointed out, that doesn't add anything useful to describe the
> current state of the path, only how it may have been formed,
"anything useful"
2010/10/25 Alex Mauer :
> I would consider those to be informal=yes, were I to use this tag.
you _are_ to use this tag, go ahead ;-)
cheers,
Martin
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2010/10/25 Felix Hartmann :
> There is no such thing as informal.
maybe you should rename your username from "extremecarver" to
"extremeopinionist" ;-)
Of course there are informal ways/paths. Not every informal looking
path is indeed informal, but that doesn't imply that there aren't any.
I agre
On 26 October 2010 07:53, Alex Mauer wrote:
> I would consider those to be informal=yes, were I to use this tag.
As Felix pointed out, that doesn't add anything useful to describe the
current state of the path, only how it may have been formed, the first
picture you posted looks like it would be
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