> I hope we are flexible enough to allow our tagging to evolve and
> improve.
> > especially not, if a lot of people actually disagree with that change.
>
> Fair enough, but what if many people agree with the change? What if
> convincing arguments are given for, many people agree with them, and
On 24 August 2010 03:48, Erik G. Burrows wrote:
> I think that if we map the park/city/etc boundary as a separate way than
> the river/ridge/etc, we give ourselves greater flexibility over time:
In general this is the conclusion we've come to about Australian
boundaries, keep the boundary separat
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:56:59AM +0200, Ulf Lamping wrote:
> Am 23.08.2010 23:37, schrieb John Smith:
> >Martin, So its ok to shift stuff from tourism but not shift stuff from
> >amenity to emergency?
> No it's not ok to wiki-fiddling emergency, or tourism, or cultural
> or whatever […]
> OSM i
On 24 August 2010 16:32, Simon Ward wrote:
> It might be useful to define properties of certain keys outside the
> tagging in the database, for example to describe “business people use
> Key:accommodation”, “tourists use Key:accommodation”, or specifically
> for a tag “Tag:X=zoo is a tourist attra
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:49:51AM +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2010/8/22 Claudius Henrichs :
> > tourism=artwork
> > + artwork_type=sculpture
>
> because of the quote above I'm raising the question: is tourism a good
> top-category? I think in many cases it is not. Even hotels are only
>
On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, just.st...@lesve.org wrote:
> Claudius Henrichs wrote, On 2010-08-22 18:31:
> > Am 22.08.2010 16:20, LeSve:
> >> How should I map a statue (Monument) so the reendering will se it.
> >> Specially in mapnik version.
> >>
> >> Maybe it is not possible ?
> >>
> >> /LeSve
> >
>
On 24 August 2010 08:56, Ulf Lamping wrote:
> No it's not ok to wiki-fiddling emergency, or tourism, or cultural or
> whatever - especially not, if a lot of people actually disagree with that
> change.
It's not about confusing anyone, especially if most people use presets
they won't be confused a
Claudius Henrichs wrote, On 2010-08-22 18:31:
> Am 22.08.2010 16:20, LeSve:
>> How should I map a statue (Monument) so the reendering will se it.
>> Specially in mapnik version.
>>
>> Maybe it is not possible ?
>>
>> /LeSve
> Depending on the nature of the statue use either
>
> historic=memoria
At 2010-08-23 11:52, =?UTF-8?Q?M=E2=88=A1rtin_Koppenhoefer?= wrote:
How do you use the key ele for water covered areas like lakes?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ele
I think I would use it to tag the height of the ground (solid) part,
and not the water surface, because this is what I wou
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> Hell no.
>
> Mind cutting out the inflammatory language?
Hell yes.
>
>> That would be a parking lane, not suitable for cycling.
>
> http://www.gleneira.vic.gov.au/Files/draft_Glen
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Hell no.
Mind cutting out the inflammatory language?
> That would be a parking lane, not suitable for cycling.
http://www.gleneira.vic.gov.au/Files/draft_Glen_Eira_Bicycle_Strategy_v3.2.pdf
See page 16, and repeated references to "bik
Am 23.08.2010 23:37, schrieb John Smith:
Martin, So its ok to shift stuff from tourism but not shift stuff from
amenity to emergency?
No it's not ok to wiki-fiddling emergency, or tourism, or cultural or
whatever - especially not, if a lot of people actually disagree with
that change.
I've
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:31 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II :
>> Hell no. That would be a parking lane, not suitable for cycling.
>> Picture a typical bike lane; now remove all signage and markings
>> calling it a bike lane. Here's an example:
>> http://maps.google.co
Martin, So its ok to shift stuff from tourism but not shift stuff from
amenity to emergency?
On 8/24/10, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2010/8/23 Peteris Krisjanis :
>> 2010/8/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
>>> 2010/8/22 Claudius Henrichs :
>>> I'd very much like to see a toplevel-tag cultural (and proba
Here in Nashville, Tennessee, USA I have seen instances where there is no
marked right-turn lane, so that the bike lane continues across the intersection
(meaning that cars are expected to turn right across the bike lane); instances
where the bike-lane markings stop shortly before the intersecti
On 08/23/2010 01:46 PM, Dave F. wrote:
> I think I'm with Martin here; especially since the right filter lane
> crosses over it.
> Seems downright dangerous. Is this a typical scenario?
Yes. At least in my town, all the right-turn lanes are to the right of
the cycle lane. Otherwise you'd have pe
How do you use the key ele for water covered areas like lakes?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ele
I think I would use it to tag the height of the ground (solid) part,
and not the water surface, because this is what I would expect a
terrain model would display.
On the other hand for glacie
On 23/08/2010 19:13, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/8/23 Alex Mauer:
He’s not talking about the sidewalk. He’s talking about the “cycle”
lane. I think this link may work to show it explicitly:
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&layer=c&cbll=28.332797,-81.491264&panoid=s34bEpDWqe-ThdTF0X38uQ&cbp
2010/8/23 Alex Mauer :
> He’s not talking about the sidewalk. He’s talking about the “cycle”
> lane. I think this link may work to show it explicitly:
> http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&layer=c&cbll=28.332797,-81.491264&panoid=s34bEpDWqe-ThdTF0X38uQ&cbp=12,132,,2,18.46&ie=UTF8&hq=&ll=28.332798,-81
2010/8/23 John F. Eldredge :
> I can understand the need for distinction, however. Many suburban areas have
> the streets laid out in a tree structure, rather than a grid. The feeder
> streets that are the main routes into and out of the neighborhoods have
> residences along them, but generall
2010/8/23 André Riedel :
> I see a difference in the connection level: (top->down)
> ... tertiary -> unclassified -> residential -> service ...
+1
Martin
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2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II :
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:02 AM, André Riedel wrote:
>> You will find residential roads in
>> residental, commercial or industrial areas.
>
> This seems very wrong to me. Can I get input from others?
+1, I agree with André that unclassified roads can IMHO be found
On Monday 23 August 2010 12:59:20 André Riedel wrote:
> I see a difference in the connection level: (top->down)
> ... tertiary -> unclassified -> residential -> service ...
I agree with the importance ordering. That is what I am using too. Except I
skip residential, when it it is not a residentia
Thanks Michael and Liz.
I've been thinking about this for a while, and putting off mapping many of
the streams/rivers in the Sierra Mountains because of this uncertainty.
It seems that there is no general consensus, so I would like to propose
what I think is the best trade-off:
I think that if
2010/8/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> Also the ones I was pointing to were IMHO far too big to be called
> bandstands.
some pictures here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berliner_Waldb%C3%BChne
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindl-B%C3%BChne_Wuhlheide
cheers,
Martin
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2010/8/23 Peteris Krisjanis :
> Ok, I went with building=bandstand.
>
> Anyone for creating proposal feature or edit it stright down in Map features?
you don't need a proposal for user-defined building tags. They are
IMHO on the other hand not what you really want. An openair-arena is
more than j
On 08/23/2010 09:35 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> btw.: this is not what we call "lane" in OSM, it is a
> "(cycleway?)=track". I would actually consider to map it separately
> (with its own way) and not just attached with tags on the street,
> because it is physically divided from the road (basi
2010/8/23 Peteris Krisjanis :
> 2010/8/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
>> 2010/8/22 Claudius Henrichs :
>> I'd very much like to see a toplevel-tag cultural (and probably
>> another one accomodation).
> In fact, culture is so overwhelmingly general word, that it can be
> anything. I would avoid to use it
On 23/08/2010 15:31, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II:
Hell no. That would be a parking lane, not suitable for cycling.
Picture a typical bike lane; now remove all signage and markings
calling it a bike lane. Here's an example:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.332798,-81.4
> 2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II :
>> Hell no. That would be a parking lane, not suitable for cycling.
>> Picture a typical bike lane; now remove all signage and markings
>> calling it a bike lane. Here's an example:
>> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.332798,-81.491435&spn=0.001929,0.00515&t=k&z=19&l
2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II :
> Hell no. That would be a parking lane, not suitable for cycling.
> Picture a typical bike lane; now remove all signage and markings
> calling it a bike lane. Here's an example:
> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.332798,-81.491435&spn=0.001929,0.00515&t=k&z=19&layer=c
I can understand the need for distinction, however. Many suburban areas have
the streets laid out in a tree structure, rather than a grid. The feeder
streets that are the main routes into and out of the neighborhoods have
residences along them, but generally wider than the side-streets, and so
2010/8/23 Pieren :
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II
> wrote:
>>
>> If that's so, why do we have residential at all? Why not just use
>> unclassified?
>
> 'residential' was originaly created for residential areas only. But many
> contributors use it extensively for all minor urb
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> If that's so, why do we have residential at all? Why not just use
> unclassified?
>
>
'residential' was originaly created for residential areas only. But many
contributors use it extensively for all minor urban roads. So I just
consider '
2010/8/23 David Earl :
> On 23/08/2010 10:54, Liz wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
>>> to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
>>> effort (for example, festivals), bu
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Liz wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> > You will find residential roads in
>> > residental, commercial or industrial areas.
>>
>> This seems very wrong to me. Can I get input from others?
> you may.
> The categories have strange names
> and a
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> > You will find residential roads in
> > residental, commercial or industrial areas.
>
> This seems very wrong to me. Can I get input from others?
you may.
The categories have strange names
and are used differently in different jurisdictions
so I map
On 23/08/2010 10:54, Liz wrote:
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
effort (for example, festivals), but there are lot of permanent ones
(made of s
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:02 AM, André Riedel wrote:
> You will find residential roads in
> residental, commercial or industrial areas.
This seems very wrong to me. Can I get input from others?
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2010/8/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> 2010/8/22 Claudius Henrichs :
>> tourism=artwork
>> + artwork_type=sculpture
>
>
> because of the quote above I'm raising the question: is tourism a good
> top-category? I think in many cases it is not. Even hotels are only
> sometimes related to tourism, while ot
2010/8/23 Nathan Edgars II :
> highway=unclassified in my experience is essentially
> highway=residential outside a residential area.
Not exactly. An 'unclassified' is a road to connect some neighborhoods
or towns. It should be a connection between roads of a higher class
(tertiary, secondary) but
2010/8/23 Liz :
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
>> I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
>> to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
>> effort (for example, festivals), but there are lot of permanent ones
>> (made of stone,
2010/8/23 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer :
> 2010/8/23 Peteris Krisjanis :
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
>> to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
>> effort (for example, festivals), but there are lot of permanent ones
>> (made
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
> to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
> effort (for example, festivals), but there are lot of permanent ones
> (made of stone, wood, etc.), especial
2010/8/22 Claudius Henrichs :
> tourism=artwork
> + artwork_type=sculpture
because of the quote above I'm raising the question: is tourism a good
top-category? I think in many cases it is not. Even hotels are only
sometimes related to tourism, while others are related to business.
The wiki stat
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Also how are you identifying the function of the roads. Is it just local
knowledge? Or are you using some official documents?
Mostly local knowledge for the more major roads, plus physical
characteristics for the minor collectors (for example, they
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Kevin Atkinson
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you help me to find the roads mentioned I might be able to give you a
>>> little better advice.
>>
>> What do you mean by
2010/8/23 Peteris Krisjanis :
> Hi!
>
> I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
> to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
> effort (for example, festivals), but there are lot of permanent ones
> (made of stone, wood, etc.), especially in Eu
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
If you help me to find the roads mentioned I might be able to give you a
little better advice.
What do you mean by "find the roads mentioned"?
I assume what you gave are street names, correc
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:16 AM, André Riedel wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
>> Making the former secondary would seemingly overload the map with
>> secondaries. But as it is, there are two distinct classes of road
>> marked as tertiary, and it's not always clear which conne
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
> Making the former secondary would seemingly overload the map with
> secondaries. But as it is, there are two distinct classes of road
> marked as tertiary, and it's not always clear which connect between
> neighborhoods and which serve as main roads in
On 23/08/2010 10:03, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
leisure = openair_stage or leisure=open_air_stage?
osmdoc (specifically http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/leisure/#values) doesn't
have either as of August 2009. Maybe an XAPI check somehere where you
know some have been mapped might suggest one or the o
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
> If you help me to find the roads mentioned I might be able to give you a
> little better advice.
What do you mean by "find the roads mentioned"?
>
> Also how are you identifying the function of the roads. Is it just local
> knowledge? Or a
Hi!
I'm tagging my hometown and saw that Map features doesn't have any tag
to mark open air stages. I know lot of open air stages are one time
effort (for example, festivals), but there are lot of permanent ones
(made of stone, wood, etc.), especially in Europe.
leisure = openair_stage or leisure
On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
I'm going to use this area of Orlando as an example:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.51724&lon=-81.43253&zoom=15&layers=M
I designated only the major through highways as primary, and major
suburban highways as secondary. Yet there are still two
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