Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink
Le 14/12/2023 à 19:51, Nathan Simington via Starlink a écrit : Hi folks, (Apologies in advance to non-Americans or anyone who doesn't care about American home broadband policy! Please feel free to immediately delete!) I don't want to get overly political on this mailing list, but my statem

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Gert Doering via Starlink
Hi, On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:07:10PM +0100, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink wrote: > subscriber ; they light only one, equalling 1gbit/s.  It means that they could > scale it up later to 4 or 5 gbit/s, without additional installation.  At the You do not need multiple fibers to transfer more tha

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink
Le 15/12/2023 à 13:37, Gert Doering a écrit : Hi, On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:07:10PM +0100, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink wrote: subscriber ; they light only one, equalling 1gbit/s.  It means that they could scale it up later to 4 or 5 gbit/s, without additional installation.  At the You do

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Gert Doering via Starlink
Hi, On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:43:25PM +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: > So, a requirement to a competitive satcom would be like 25 Gbit/s.  I think it > is not impossible to make, if many intermediate layers (HAPS, drones etc) > are used, and larger band widths. As was noted upthread, raw bandw

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Starlink
> > Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of satcom such > as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, to overcome the > 'tangled fiber' problem. No, not really. Starlink was about to address the issue of digital divide - delivering internet to those 640k locations,

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Starlink
Hi Alexandre, > On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:07, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink > wrote: > > > Le 14/12/2023 à 19:51, Nathan Simington via Starlink a écrit : >> Hi folks, >> >> (Apologies in advance to non-Americans or anyone who doesn't care about >> American home broadband policy! Please feel

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Gert Doering via Starlink
Hi, On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 01:46:06PM +0100, Frantisek Borsik via Starlink wrote: > The same is true for missing/loosing support for FWA in the grand/funding > schemes: all the arguments thrown around by fiber cheerleaders are based > on bandwidth (at best) or "speed" (in most cases) or some the

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Starlink
Hi Frantisek, > On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain > wrote: > > Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of satcom such > as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, to overcome the > 'tangled fiber' problem. > > No, not really. Starlink was a

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Livingood, Jason via Starlink
On 12/15/23, 07:44, "Starlink on behalf of Gert Doering via Starlink" wrote: > As was noted upthread, raw bandwith is not the only relevant criteria here (and nobody really *needs* 25 Gbit/s at home, though I'd *love* to have it). Agree 100%. At the recent IETF meeting, we had over 1,000 devices

[Starlink] A naive question

2023-12-15 Thread Larry Press via Starlink
The RDOF criteria was initially 25/3 Mb/s. Now the FCC questions Starlink's ability to provide 100/20 Mbps. When and why did the criteria change? Larry ___ Starlink mailing list Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starl

Re: [Starlink] A naive question

2023-12-15 Thread Ricky Mok via Starlink
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-395473A1.pdf On 12/15/23 08:41, Larry Press via Starlink wrote: The RDOF criteria was initially 25/3 Mb/s. Now the FCC questions Starlink's ability to provide 100/20 Mbps. When and why did the criteria change? Larry ___

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Starlink
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote: Hi Frantisek, On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain wrote: Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of satcom such as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, to overcome the 'tangled

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Starlink
Hi All, We're trying to modernize America. LBJ helped do it for electricity decades ago. It's our turn to step up to the plate. Tele-health and distance learning requires us to do so. There is so much to follow. A reminder what many women went through before LBJ showed up. I'm skeptical a pa

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Starlink
who exactly do you think is calling for there to be no Internet access? and what in the world does the sex of individuals have to do with shipping bits around? Starlink (and hopefully it's future competitors) provides a way to get Internet service to everyone without having to run fiber to ever

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Starlink
Women are the primary users and providers of telehealth services. They are using broadband to care for our population. They also run most of the addiction services across our country, whatever the addiction may be. So gender actually matters. Ask them as providers. Telehealth doesn't work over

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Starlink
why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services? I've used it personally. Even if women use telehealth more than men, that doesn't say that women have any particular advantage in moving the bits around that make telehealth possible. David Lang On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Starlink
I surveyed some female telehealth providers. There are a lot of subtleties required to make telehealth work well for the providers. Their knowledge level is quite fascinating. I don't see their voices here on these boards either. In education, the absence of something being taught is called th

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Starlink
I don't disagree with anything that you say below, but the discussion was on the topic of starlink vs fiber, with the person I was responding to claiming that we needed to have women in charge of the Internet companies because of telehealth as well. I'm a remote worker and VERY aware of how li

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Starlink
what does this have to do with starlink vs FTTH? I don't know or care the sex of the other people in this discussion, I could make guesses based on the listed names for some, but by no means all, but why would I? This discussion is open to anyone. David Lang On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon w

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Dave Taht via Starlink
This is principally a male dominated list, and I in general assume that the public debate over fiber, bandwidth, etc, etc skews heavily male also. It is a very good set of questions to ask about how the internet should be structured to best meet the needs of both sexes, and how that has changed ov

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Dave Taht via Starlink
On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 2:13 PM David Bray, PhD via Nnagain wrote: > > This GPT(human)bot was responding to the engineered prompt: >>why do you > think telehealth won't work over LEO services? > > As it's Friday, this GPT(human)bot bandwidth has been fully utilized for the > week. Our servers w

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Bray, PhD via Starlink
FCC's staff continues to shrink. 1420-or-so employees in 2022, 1755-or-so in 2012, 1952-or-so in 2004. So about a 25% reduction over the last twenty years. There are several good people there among the staff, however they also face an increasing number of tasks and demands with less resources. Publ

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Bray, PhD via Starlink
There’s good evidence that physical health can be done over LEO as long as it isn’t low latency dependent. Of course our illustrious listserv founder Dave Taht will be quick to point out high latency is also found via ground-based connections too. That said, there is still a lot of research debate

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread Kenline, Doug via Starlink
I’m a Return-to-Office worker and we come in to the office to do our in-person meetings on Zoom. The conference rooms are only used for storage now. Doug From: Nnagain On Behalf Of David Bray, PhD via Nnagain Sent: Friday, December 15, 2023 5:13 PM To: David Lang Cc: David Bray, PhD ; star

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Bray, PhD via Starlink
This GPT(human)bot was responding to the engineered prompt: >>why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services? As it's Friday, this GPT(human)bot bandwidth has been fully utilized for the week. Our servers will be back-on line come Monday. Wishing everyone (human or machine) a wonderful

Re: [Starlink] [NNagain] FCC Upholds Denial of Starlink's RDOF Application

2023-12-15 Thread David Lang via Starlink
to be very clear, I am in no way saying that anyone's (let alone saying women's) views are not desired. I think a diversity of views if extremely valuable. I just get my back up when people say things like 'there need to more X in charge' (for any value of X that refers to a characteristic that