who exactly do you think is calling for there to be no Internet access? and what
in the world does the sex of individuals have to do with shipping bits around?
Starlink (and hopefully it's future competitors) provides a way to get Internet
service to everyone without having to run fiber to every house.
As for the parallels with rural electrification, if that problem were to be
faced today, would the right answer be massive public agencies to build and run
miles of wire from massive central power plants? or would the right answer be
solar + batteries in individual houses for the most rural folks, with small
modular reactors to power the larger population areas?
Just because there was only one way to achieve a goal in the past doesn't mean
that approach is the best thing to do today.
David Lang
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:
Hi All,
We're trying to modernize America. LBJ helped do it for electricity decades
ago. It's our turn to step up to the plate. Tele-health and distance learning
requires us to do so. There is so much to follow.
A reminder what many women went through before LBJ showed up. I'm skeptical a
patriarchy under Musk is even close to capable. We probably need a woman to
lead us, or at least motivate us to do our best work for our country and to
be an example to the world.
A Hill Country farm wife had to do her chores even if she was ill – no matter
how ill. Because Hill Country women were too poor to afford proper medical
care they often suffered perineal tears in childbirth. During the 1930s, the
federal government sent physicians to examine a sampling of Hill Country
women. The doctors found that, out of 275 women, 158 had perineal tears. Many
of them, the team of gynecologists reported, were third-degree tears, “tears
so bad that it is difficult to see how they stand on their feet.” But they
were standing on their feet, and doing all the chores that Hill Country wives
had always done – hauling the water, hauling the wood, canning, washing,
ironing, helping with the shearing, the plowing and the picking.
Because there was no electricity.
Bob
On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote:
Hi Frantisek,
On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain
<nnag...@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of satcom such
as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, to overcome the
'tangled fiber' problem.
No, not really. Starlink was about to address the issue of digital divide
-
I beg to differ. Starlink is a commercial enterprise with the goal to
make a profit by offering (usable) internet access essentially everywhere;
it is not as far as I can tell an attempt at specifically reducing the
digital divide (were often an important factor is not necessarily location
but financial means).
Every Inernet company " commercial enterprise with the goal to make a
profit by offering (usable) internet" don't dismiss a company because
of that. Starlink (and the other Satellite ISPs) all exist to service
people who can't use traditional wired infrastructure
delivering internet to those 640k locations, where there is literally
none today. Fiber will NEVER get there. And it will get there, it will be
like 10 years down the road.
This is IHO the wrong approach to take. The goal needs to be a
universal FTTH access network (with the exception of extreme locations, no
need to pull fiber up to the highest Bivouac shelter on Mt. Whitney). And
f that takes a decade or two, so be it, this is infrastructure that will
keep on helping for many decades once rolled-out. However given that time
frame one should consider work-arounds for the interim period. I would
have naively thought starlink would qualify for that from a technical
perspective, but then the FCC documents actually discussion requirements
and how they were or were not met/promised by starlink was mostly
redacted.
what do you consider 'extreme locations'? how long a run between
houses is 'too far'?
we've seen the failure of commercial fiber monopolies in cities with
housing density of several houses per acre (and even where there are
apartment complexes there as well) because it's not profitable enough.
When you get into areas where it's 'how many acres per house' the cost
of running FTTH gets very high. I don't think this is the majority of
the population of the US any longer (but I don't know for sure), but
it's very clearly the majority of the area of the US. And once you get
out of the major metro areas, even getting fiber to every town or
village becomes a major undertaking.
Is running fiber 30 miles to support a village of 700 people an
'extreme location'? let me introduce you to Vermontville MI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermontville,_Michigan which is less
than an hours drive from the state capitol.
David Lang
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