Re: [SAtalk] % HTML in message-test

2003-12-14 Thread Kai Poppe
- Original Message - From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As a second commentary, why are the scores you assigned linearly increasing > with % HTML? Is there a reason, or just something you whipped up quickly? Let's say I whipped it up quickly, yes. But in essence there is no false

Re: [SAtalk] % HTML in message-test

2003-12-14 Thread Kai Poppe
- Original Message - From: "Kai Poppe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Let's say I whipped it up quickly, yes. But in essence there is no false > positive due to that score going up linearily. If i had the slightest chance > of transforming the S/O curve into a hundred steps and use it for the scor

Re: [SAtalk] YO DEVELOPER! SA Rule COUNTER?

2003-12-14 Thread Charles Gregory
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, Gary Funck wrote: > Alternatively, offer a max count and pattern. The actual count would be > expressed as a percentage of the maximum, and this would be multiplied > by the score.. Actually, this is what I said we did *not* want when I said a 'straight multiplier' would

Re: [SAtalk] Re: SA 2.61 and this annoying spammer?

2003-12-14 Thread Robert Nicholson
Yes yesterday I enabled Net::DNS as well as adding DCC check and now I'm pleased to say that spammer is no longer a concern. I have a question a perl question and I'm not sure where in the various Perl docs you are suppose to look for this but I want to know exactly what this means. package Ma

[SAtalk] Clever spam (first of many, I'm afraid...)

2003-12-14 Thread Rubin Bennett
The spammers are getting smarter about Bayes... this one sneaked through SA 2.6, a well trained Bayes database, and the BigEvil rules with a score of 1.0 out of 5. What to do? I'm sure that the sleazebags that come up with these will send many of them now that they've figured out it works. It's

Re: [SAtalk] Clever spam (first of many, I'm afraid...)

2003-12-14 Thread Matt Kettler
At 12:47 PM 12/14/2003, Rubin Bennett wrote: The spammers are getting smarter about Bayes... this one sneaked through SA 2.6, a well trained Bayes database, and the BigEvil rules with a score of 1.0 out of 5. What to do? That's funny.. it hit BAYES_99 on mine... Admittedly I had to do a kinda hal

RE: [SAtalk] Clever spam (first of many, I'm afraid...)

2003-12-14 Thread jennifer
Hi Rubin Clever yes, but not clever enough. Check out these sets, the backhair set gives this spam 9 more points. http://www.emtinc.net/spamhammers.htm look in the source of the email, if you haven't, to see what they will hit on. You're right too, they use this technique a lot... but that

[SAtalk] This is an ebay phish right?

2003-12-14 Thread Robert Nicholson
When you see encoded urls like that you have to suspect that this is an ebay phish right? Does anybody know what the url is? Received: (qmail 7380 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 00:45:49 - Received: from 12-229-8-208.client.attbi.com (HELO earthling.net) (12.229.8.208) by grub.camro

Re: [SAtalk] This is an ebay phish right?

2003-12-14 Thread Matt Kettler
At 01:24 PM 12/14/2003, Robert Nicholson wrote: When you see encoded urls like that you have to suspect that this is an ebay phish right? Does anybody know what the url is? Um.. encoded URL? sorry, but your copy-paste didn't bring over the "encoded" part of the URL. But, based only on the fact th

Re: [SAtalk] This is an ebay phish right?

2003-12-14 Thread Martin Radford
At Sun Dec 14 18:40:27 2003, Matt Kettler wrote: > > At 01:24 PM 12/14/2003, Robert Nicholson wrote: > >When you see encoded urls like that you have to suspect that this is an > >ebay phish right? > > > >Does anybody know what the url is? > > Um.. encoded URL? sorry, but your copy-paste didn't br

Re: [SAtalk] Clever spam (first of many, I'm afraid...)

2003-12-14 Thread Carl R. Friend
On 14 Dec 2003, Rubin Bennett wrote: > The spammers are getting smarter about Bayes... this one sneaked through > SA 2.6, a well trained Bayes database, and the BigEvil rules with a > score of 1.0 out of 5. The body of the spam in question was more than 80% Bayes- poison. It's not surprisi

Re: [SAtalk] Clever spam (first of many, I'm afraid...)

2003-12-14 Thread Rubin Bennett
The Backhair rules nailed it (10 points). I (duh) didn't even look carefully at the HTML so I missed the really ugly tags in there. Thanks! Rubin On Sun, 2003-12-14 at 12:47, Rubin Bennett wrote: > The spammers are getting smarter about Bayes... this one sneaked through > SA 2.6, a well trained

Re: [SAtalk] This is an ebay phish right?

2003-12-14 Thread Robert Nicholson
Look at the body of the message and you should see a bunch of %'s in the url. You don't see them? Does your MUA allow you to look at the raw text of the message? On Dec 14, 2003, at 12:40 PM, Matt Kettler wrote: At 01:24 PM 12/14/2003, Robert Nicholson wrote: When you see encoded urls like tha

Re: [SAtalk] Clever spam (first of many, I'm afraid...)

2003-12-14 Thread Rubin Bennett
To tell the truth, this is the first spam that I actually recieved in my Inbox in 3 days... between Bayes and BigEvil, I average only 1 out of the 150+ spams I've been receiving per day that SA doesn't catch. However, now I'm spoiled and I never want to see another spam message (!), so I grumble w

Re: [SAtalk] This is an ebay phish right?

2003-12-14 Thread Matt Kettler
At 02:40 PM 12/14/2003, Robert Nicholson wrote: Look at the body of the message and you should see a bunch of %'s in the url. You don't see them? Does your MUA allow you to look at the raw text of the message? Well, your post itself is declared to be text/plain.. When my MUA saw a html declarati

Re: [SAtalk] This is an ebay phish right?

2003-12-14 Thread maarten van den Berg
On Sunday 14 December 2003 19:24, Robert Nicholson wrote: > When you see encoded urls like that you have to suspect that this is an > ebay phish right? > > Does anybody know what the url is? [...cut 'n paste into a URL to a friendly webserver...] The requested URL /[EMAIL PROTECTED]:80/e.html w

[SAtalk] Re: Clever spam (first of many, I'm afraid...)

2003-12-14 Thread Scott A Crosby
On 14 Dec 2003 12:47:58 -0500, Rubin Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And, has anyone given any thought to working the SA engine up in C or > something faster than Perl? I've seen many issues with system resources > and SA, and the answer keeps coming back as one of two responses: It is not

[SAtalk] Re: Clever spam (first of many, I'm afraid...)

2003-12-14 Thread Scott A Crosby
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:23:21 -0500 (EST), "Carl R. Friend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I've got a prototype eval() that looks at the incidence of > what I tentatively call "smallwords" (the "glue" words like "is", > "a", "the", "and", &c.) that hold the English language together > and flags a