Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-13 Thread Steve Palincsar
True, but you can do that with indexed bar end and downtube shifters, too. On 4/10/19 10:23 PM, Teague Scott wrote: I think one of the beauties about friction is the ability to shift multiple cogs in one swift, quiet motion. This can be of huge benefit on the trail, but one needs to maintain

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-13 Thread Teague Scott
I run friction on both my bikes - 3x9 and 1x11. I like being able to get things perfectly dialed so my drivetrain is silent. I know you can get that with an indexed system, but it's nice to know I never have to worry about it failing. Once you spend some time with friction you'll be able to shif

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-11 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
Thank you, Eric, for that Park video link. I got my 11x dialed in, at least as far as a test ride up and down the block goes, and I now have all 11 gears and all 11 are behaving. I may actually have a handle on how to adjust this indexing insanity in the field now. Grin. Steve, you called it, t

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-11 Thread Ash
His precise instructions to the cool production and editing touches, that Park Tools videos is very good all around! On Thursday, 11 April 2019 08:11:43 UTC-7, Eric Myers wrote: > > I've mostly ridden older bikes which came to me in good shape so I just > rode them as they came, after I cleaned

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-11 Thread 'Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch
I've mostly ridden older bikes which came to me in good shape so I just rode them as they came, after I cleaned them, replaced rubber parts and sometimes cables/housing, and gave them a tuneup. In all this time I only had one bike with indexed shifting (and a derailleur). It worked OK, but te

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-11 Thread Garth
Shifting like everything . There's no going-getting-it "wrong" OR "right" There's just Going Riding along . Any shifts within the Ride are the very Identical Ride Itself. The Ride Riding(shifting) the Ride. Oh yes "what about me, the rider" ? Ahahaahahah

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread Ash
When I assembled my first Riv 2 years ago, I bought Microshift 9 speed shifters from HQ along with the frame and other parts. Mounted them on the inside of handlebar, so rear was friction and front was indexed. This shifter had no option to switch between. Ran this setup for a year with no is

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread Steve Palincsar
Have you tried adjusting cable tension? Usually, reluctance to shift to higher gears indicates excessive cable tension.  If that was the case, you'd expect pretty snappy downshifting.  On the other hand, "semi-responsive" to downshift, "reluctant" to upshift sounds like the whole thing is slugg

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
My demo Gus Boots came with XT 1x11 indexing. I am impressed so far with how it shifts except for a few things: 1. though it shifts semi-responsively to lower gears, shifting to higher gears is reluctant; 2. it requires coaxing to get into the highest gear. I’m unsure how to solve that. With fri

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread ascpgh
Prior to a group ride last night I spoke with a an early arriving rider who not only made me feel alien for a steel frame but was amazed at the danger I courted for not having brifters. He felt bar end shifters were more dangerous than DT levers. I did not tell him they were friction. He asked

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread ascpgh
At a race my company promoted and operated BITD, a young rider hot out of triathlons in Texas named Lance was riding a mash-up of bar end shifter for the front derailleur and an STI lever for the rear. He preferred the infinite trim available to the friction bar end that the STI couldn't match.

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread jack loudon
"I like the idea of doing it myself, and I don't want a machine to take it over for me!" As I get older I also find myself leaning more toward simple over complex. Complex can be wonderfully convenient until it fails, and I've had two indexing failures. My first shifter fail was 9-sp Campy Ch

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread John McBurney
I think both have their place. The analogy I used is digital versus analogue audio. I love my turn table and records but by golly I love the precision and convenience of my digital setup too. I originally got into friction way back in the 60s then rediscovered it more recently when I got fed up wi

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread Dave Grossman
I'm back to friction almost exclusively now and I am tired of fiddling with indexing setups. I like the idea of set and forget and I love the idea of really having to be in tune with the bike to shift. My Jones has 11 speed XT which does shift really nicely, but when I get back to friction on

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-10 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch
Indexing and STI require less thought from our minds and bodies, bringing us closer to the technological ideal of mind-lessness and thought-lessness that we seem to be striving for. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubs

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Bill Schairer
Friction for durability, flexibility and I know how to make them work. I never could get the hang of servicing indexed and I had two brifters go bad but never a bar end. Then, ‘will this work with that?” is really never an issue - swap wheels, cassettes, freewheels, chainrings etc with hardly a

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Pancake
+2 for both indexed and friction. I have Microshift shifters on my Sam, they're friction on the front, switchable to friction or indexed on the rear. Strongly recommended. They call these "friction transferable" meaning you can switch between the modes. It requires an allen key, super easy ev

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread S
+1 on friction front, index back, and +1 on using Shimano shifters that can do both. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsub

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Patrick Moore
You are right, indexing might well be a better choice for rapidly changing terrain and conditions. My technique with friction in "emergency" situations -- deep sand patch, for example -- is to slam the right lever to the large cog (or at least to a bigger cogs several positions away) in order to ma

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Drw
once set up, I like indexing marginally more than friction but ive found that the freedom and ease of mixing and matching parts that friction allows makes my life so much easier that it vastly outweighs any minor benefits of indexing. I'd only friction shift up to 9 speed though, and prefe

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY
Here they are! I think they're yours?, unless it's another friend. If so, you should really keep them. Paired with some Paul's thumbies and they're the greatest thumb shifters around. https://groups.google.com/forum/?utm_source=digest&utm_medium=email#!topic/internet-bob/_NkQDZXqVz4 -Kai On Tu

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Mike K.
There’s a set for sale over on the iBob list as we speak! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To p

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Mike K.
A good shimano bar end should give you the option of index or friction. 9 speed has the option for sure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Collin A
I have both friction and index. I've personally found friction to be great for more gradually changing terrain that gives you some time to fine tune the paddle placement before really cranking down on the pedals without fully losing your momentum. However, when I am dealing with highly varied t

[RBW] Re: Friction vs Indexed

2019-04-09 Thread Daniel D.
Indexing in rear, friction in front. I like the convenience of indexing. But not really needed in front and you can easily trim the front derailleur. On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 8:49:44 AM UTC-7, Friend wrote: > > I am getting ready to build up an AHH frame. I am planning on putting > noodle