Prior to a group ride last night I spoke with a an early arriving rider who 
not only made me feel alien for a steel frame but was amazed at the danger 
I courted for not having brifters. He felt bar end shifters were more 
dangerous than DT levers. I did not tell him they were friction. 

He asked if my bike was really that old or if I had it made that way. It 
was incomprehensible to him that all the "up to the moment" gear was not to 
everyone's preference. I started recalling a reader here or at iBOB who 
said a group ride considered banning non brifter bikes for being "unsafe". 
This ride included a not allowed by UCI TT bike with pronghorn bars. 

I did not see that gentleman after the start and rode the majority of the 
miles with a friend on a metallic framed bike. We gravitate to each other 
in groupings where buying power fails to equate riding skills. The latest 
hot set-up cannot overcome that. Riding my Rambouillet in friction mode 
didn't slow me down up the hills, down the hills or in tight groups. I like 
it that way and am hard pressed to pick a drivetrain for my project bike 
that is starting fabrication today in Brooklyn. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Tuesday, April 9, 2019 at 1:41:24 PM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> once set up, I like indexing marginally more than friction.... but ive 
> found that the freedom and ease of mixing and matching parts that friction 
> allows makes my life so much easier that it vastly outweighs any minor 
> benefits of indexing.  I'd only friction shift up to 9 speed though, and 
> preferably 8. 
>

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