Re: Block-structured resource handling via decorators

"John Perks and Sarah Mount" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When handling resources in Python, where the scope of the resource is > known, there seem to be two schools of thought: > > (1) Explicit: > f = open(fname) > try: > # ... > finally: > f.close() > > (2) Implicit: let the GC handle i

Re: A replacement for lambda

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) writes: > On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 18:07:31 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>I know, lambda bashing (and defending) in the group is one of the most >>popular ways to avoid writing code. However, while staring at some Oz >>cod

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Calvin Spealman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The choice is GUI toolkits is largely seperate from >> Python. Consider that they are just bindings to libraries that are >> developed completely seperate of the language. GUI is should be >>

Re: multiple inheritance super()

"Michele Simionato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I think you're replying to me, but you didn't include any indication so I can't be sure. > If I understand correcly you have a situation like this: > > Base > > | > > Parent1 Mixin > | | > | | > Children1 > > Base > > | > > Paren

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Calvin Spealman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>> The choice is GUI toolkits is large

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 00:59 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > >> I don't particularly like Tkinter, but it seems to me that it's pretty >> much won. It seems to be installed on every desktop platform along >> with Python.

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Jorge Godoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > [ Having GUI stuff included on a standard installation of Python ] > >> However, you can get compilers for both that come bundled with a good >> GUI library. Could it be that that's what you rea

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Paul Rubin writes: > The others are non-Pythonic because they're not included in the > standard distro and therefore the Pythonic "use the included > batteries" tenet says to use Tkinter despite its flaws. When did "use the included batteries" become pythonic? "import t

Re: multiple inheritance super()

"Michele Simionato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer: >> I think you're replying to me, but you didn't include any indication >> so I can't be sure. > > Oops, sorry, yes, I was replying to you. > >> These two are cases of wha

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 14:58 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: >> And what do I use to bundle my application for Unix? Most of the >> things I build get installed on Unix servers. > You install GUI apps on Unix *servers*? Yup. Thanks to

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Jorge Godoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > >> We already have multiple distributions of Python: CPython, IronPython, >> and Jython (and there's at least one more). We even have multiple >> distributions of CPython, what with Active State d

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> [...] >>> >>> None of us has talked about changing syntax. However, the >>> stan

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes: > In practise any Python GUI is going to contain code from otyher > languages since if it was coded all the way down in python it would > be too slow. Not necessarily. My window manger is Python all the way down - it uses the Python Xlib implementation - and

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Paul McNett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Windows and Mac, you download the package and run through the wizard. Which package? I'm looking at the sourceforge download site, and don't see any packages for Python 2.4 on OS X 10.4. In fact, I don't see any packages for 10.4 at all. IIRC, they did

Re: Standards not standard

Dark Cowherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Being able to write a usable GUI is key task for all programmers today No, it isn't. I'm a programmer. I never get paid to write usable GUIs. Most of my programs don't have a GUI at all. For those that do, I get paid to write a functional GUI. Clients tha

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Regardless, when you say "Unix", what do you mean? You may as well say >> > "OS" as this term has little meaning. Linux (which flavor)? BSD? SCO? >> > HPUX? OS/X? Minix? Whichever way, I suspect that a bit of distutils >> > hacking would solve yo

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Jorge Godoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: >>> In fact this sounds more like a joke I've heard a while ago: standards, >>> if you don't like the ones out there, create your own. >> Works for me. > What works for you? You believe th

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes: > On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 00:42:53 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes: >>> In practise any Python GUI is going to contain code from otyher >>> languages since if it was coded al

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> [...] >>> I'm interested in a language with a big community. This is my >>> definit

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Paul McNett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>project I've found, but still doable. >> Well, I've got a long history of installing things from source - >> going >> back to v6. On OS X, I like the darwin ports stuff, so I tried that: >> % sudo port install wxpython >> It blew up trying to compile wxpyt

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 20:17 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > >> Um - you're not answering the question I asked. I asked "What app do I >> use to bundle my applications for Unix, ala py2exe (or whatever it is) >> for Wi

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Because such projects attract the greatest number of developers, >>> many of them being amongst

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 09:47 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: >> Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 20:17 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: >> >> Um - you're not answering the question I asked

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think you'll find that wxPython installs perfectly on Tiger using >> the package provided. Indeed, the only really painful platform to >> install wxPython on is Linux, where you pretty much need to build from >> source

Re: Standards not standard

Dark Cowherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > I really think that the community needs a lot more of STANDARDS not >> > a STANDARD GUI >> >> Standards happen in one of two ways. Either an 800-lb gorrilla >> establishes them by fiat, or a group of people interested in having >> their code play well

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 01:04 -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > Right. Let's go back to the original question: What's the app I use on > > Unix that acts like py2exe on Windows and py2app on Unix? >

Re: Python IDE's

bruno modulix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jon Hewer wrote: >> I do use Vim a lot. I am currently using it for some PHP development >> i'm doing. I'm been using it so much recently that i keep pressing >> ESC and typing vi commands out of vi. >> >> But, if i use Vi, then whenever i want to tes

Re: pain

Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 2005-08-03, Mage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Isn't jython slower (I mean performance) than java? As well as >> I understand jython code will be interpreted twice. > > Jython gets compiled into Java byte code just like Java gets > compiled into Jav

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> write

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hallöchen! > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>> Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writ

Re: pain

Kent Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: >> The compiled jython will pay a performance penalty for being >> dynamic. Where Java knows the type of objects, and can deduce the >> correct method to call at compile time (well, some of the time, >> a

Re: The ONLY thing that prevents me from using Python

"Paul McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Once you find your service based on price/support/etc., send them an > e-mail asking for Python support. The worst they can say is "no, and > we never will," but just as likely they might respond "yes, it's > already there" or "yes, we can add that".

Re: Replacement for keyword 'global' good idea? (e.g. 'modulescope' or 'module' better?)

"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > A much better idea would be to fix the underlying > situation that makes the global statement necessary. You can't "fix" this. This code (in some python-like langauge that isn't python): x =

Proposed new collection methods

Another thread pointed out a couple of methods that would be nice to have on Python collections: find and inject. These are taken from http://martinfowler.com/bliki/CollectionClosureMethod.html >. find can be defined as: def find(self, test = None): for item in self: if

Re: Fat and happy Pythonistas (was Re: Replacement for keyword 'global' good idea? ...)

"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However. I see nothing in the existing Python 3000 PEP that does > anything other than inspire a yawn. Sure, it's a bunch of cleanup, and > some of it is definitely needed. Actually, that's pretty much *all* it is. I always figured it was a warning about t

Re: Fat and happy Pythonistas (was Re: Replacement for keyword 'global' good idea? ...)

"John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Mike Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >>> What I want to see in Python 3000 is an AST based language >>> that lets the editors do the pretty printing. Do you want automatic >>>

Re: Fat and happy Pythonistas (was Re: Replacement for keyword 'global' good idea? ...)

Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: >> "John Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>The world is moving on, in ways that I think you're not seeing. >>>And Python is standing still in many of those same ways. >> I fi

Re: Wheel-reinvention with Python

Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 06 Aug 2005 17:27:33 -0700, Paul Rubin <http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > declaimed the following in comp.lang.python: > >> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > Is there a free language you consider succ

Re: Fat and happy Pythonistas

Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:37:54 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed > the following in comp.lang.python: >> "The concensus of this group" is a *long* way from "the debate has >> moved on". I

Re: How to determine that if a folder is empty?

James Dennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Reinhold Birkenfeld wrote: > >> could ildg wrote: >> >>>I want to check if a folder named "foldername" is empty. >>>I use os.listdir(foldername)==[] to do this, >>>but it will be very slow if the folder has a lot of sub-files. >>>Is there any efficient wa

Re: Decline and fall of scripting languages ?

Well, I tried sending this via email, but I can't derive a valid address from Paul's anti-spammed address. My apologies to the rest of you for this. Paul Rubin writes: > Should that bother me? I should say, my interest in Ocaml or Haskell > is not just to try out somet

Re: Recommendations for CVS systems

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I was wondering if anyone could make recomendations/comments about CVS > systems, their experiences and what perhaps the strengths of each. Perforce. it costs money, but it's worth it. My current client uses subversion, and I generally wind up cursing at it at least on

Re: Python supports LSP, does it?

Andy Leszczynski writes: > wikipedia > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_programming_language#Object-oriented_programming) > says: > """ > Python's support for object oriented programming paradigm is vast. It > supports polymorphism [...] fully in the Liskov substitution > principle-sense for a

Re: Recommendations for CVS systems

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, François Pinard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > [Mike Meyer] > > > [...] I generally wind up cursing at [subversion] at least once a day. > Would you accept elaborating a bit on the motivations of the cursing? > Your message says Perforce does

Re: Python supports LSP, does it?

bruno modulix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Clearly, somethingElse is a subtype of baseClass, when derivedClass is > not. Don't confuse suclassing with subtyping. issinstance() let you > check for subclassing, not for subtyping. The only language-level > mechanism I know of that more or less inforc

Re: Recommendations for CVS systems

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aahz) writes: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Erik Max Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>It also is free for personal use (up to 2 clients, 2 users) and open >>soruce projects can get free licenses. Or at least it was so the last I >>checked. > > For anything missi

Re: Is there a way of executing a command in a string?

Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jerry He wrote: >> Hi, suppose I have the following string >> cmdstr = "b = lambda s: s*s" >> Is there a way to execute this string other than >> copying it onto a file and then importing it? > > >>> exec "b = lambda s: s*s" > >>> b Jeff forgot to w

Re: What are modules really for?

Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dan wrote: >> You might think of modules in Python as like packages in Java. However, >> putting classes in the same module doesn't give them any additional >> powers to interact with each other. (At least, not that I know of.) > > Use of "global" to rebi

Re: Python supports LSP, does it?

Gregory Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > phil hunt wrote: >> Let q(x) be a property provable about objects x of type T. Then >> q(y) should be true for objects y of type S where S is a subtype of T >> To me, this is nonsense. Under this definition any subtype must >> behave the same as its pa

Re: Writing a small battleship game server in Python

Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The server should accept connections from new players and be able to handle >> multiple games concurrently. > > Multiple threads would be the way to go for a real application. But if > you want to avoid the complexity involved in threading and > synchronization

Re: Printing literal text of an argument

[Format recovered from top posting] Jeremy Moles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 14:04 -0700, Rex Eastbourne wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've written the following simple macro called debug(aname, avalue) >> that prints out the name of an expression and its value: >> >> def debug

Re: Printing to printer

Kristian Zoerhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 8/11/05, Steve M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: >> >> > On 8/11/05, Steve M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >>I'm having problems sending information from a python >> >> script to a printer. I was

Re: Writing a small battleship game server in Python

Michael Goettsche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 11 August 2005 18:34, Dan wrote: >> > The server should accept connections from new players and be able to >> > handle multiple games concurrently. >> >> Multiple threads would be the way to go for a real application. But if >> you want t

Re: Why is this?

Peter Mott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If I use concatenation + instead of multiplication * then I get the > result that Jiri expected: > > >>> L = [[]] + [[]] > >>> L[1].append(1) > >>> L > [[], [1]] > > With * both elements are changed: > > >>> L = [[]] * 2 > >>> L[1].append(1) > >>> L >

Re: What are modules really for?

Magnus Lycka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Terry Reedy wrote: >> However, everything is an instance of a class or type. > Except whitespace, comments, operators and statements! > (Did I miss anything?) What makes you think operators qualify as exceptions? >>> type(operator.add) If you're talkin

Re: Running one Python program from another as a different user

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Greetings- > This is on Linux... I have a daemon running as root and I want to > execute another Python program as another user (a regular user). I have > the name of the user and can use the 'pwd' and 'grp' modules to get > that user's user and gr

Re: Invoking GUI for app running in background with a keypress

Mathias Dahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How does one go about doing this? I found a small program written in C > (xbindkeys) that can do this and understand that it probably involves > a lot of "low-level" stuff in X which feels a bit "scary" :). Any > clues of doing this "easily" in Python + s

Re: Library vs Framework

Peter Decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've written several apps that need to update a database, and each one > had to do the same things: connect, grab data, create controls to > display/edit that data, validate any changes and then stuff the edited > data back into the database. I started pl

Re: open links in a html page

"Ajar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Using urllib2,ClinetForm and ClinetCookie modules I have logged into my > ISPs web site and managed to fetch the first page. Now, on this page > there is this link: > > Service > Records > > I need to click this link from python code. How do I do it? ch

Re: Library vs Framework

Peter Decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 8/16/05, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, they may have created a library class that does the job for >> them. Figuring out which is which seemed to be the point of this >> thread. > > I

Re: time.clock() problem under linux (precision=0.01s)

"Szabolcs Nagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > time.time seems much better solution, but python manual sais: "not all > systems provide time with a better precision than 1 second" > > Should i use time.clock or time.time to be more crossplatform? > Is time.time ok for windows? (time()-time() != 0.0

Re: creating/modifying sparse files on linux

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My goal is very simple. Have a mechanism to create sparse files and > modify them by writing arbitratry ranges of bytes at arbitrary offsets. > I did get the information I want (xrange instead of range, and a simple > way to generate 1Mb string in

Re: python html

Steve Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, I am looking for something where I can go through > a html page and make change the url's for all the > links, images, href's, etc... easily. If anyone knows > of something, please let me know. Thanks. I've been doing a lot of that today. But the tool

Re: Python jobs

"Terry Reedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > generally counter-indicated unless the name (.marketplace) or charter say > otherwise. Exceptions would be a low volume of things of direct and narrow > interest. So I consider the rare job announcements posted here ok. The > same for book announcem

Re: global interpreter lock

Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't see much point in trying to convince programmers that > they don't really want concurrent threads. They really do. Some > don't know how to use them, but that's largely because they > haven't had them. I doubt a language for thread-phobes has much >

Re: Save Binary data.

Larry Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Directories with large numbers of files was a problem in FAT16 and > FAT32 filesystems but not really a problem in NTFS or Linux (at > least that I've found). Depends on how you define "large" and what Linux file system you're using. Of course, if you ope

Re: BeautifulSoup

"Paul McGuire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here's a pyparsing program that reads my personal web page, and spits > out HTML with all of the HREF's reversed. Parsing HTML isn't easy, which makes me wonder how good this solution really is. Not meant as a comment on the quality of this code or PyP

Re: global interpreter lock

"Donn Cave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quoth Paul Rubin <http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > | Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > |> The real problem is that the concurrency models available in currently > |> popular languages are still at the &quo

Re: global interpreter lock

Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > The real problem is that the concurrency models available in currently > > popular languages are still at the "goto" stage of language > > development. Better models exist, have existed for

Re: global interpreter lock

Paul Rubin <http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Even simpler to program in is the model used by Erlang. It's more CSP >> than threading, though, as it doesn't have shared memory as part of >> the model. But if

Re: global interpreter lock

Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:30:43 -0400, Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> declaimed > the following in comp.lang.python: >> with these issues. If I ever find myself having to have non-trivial >> threads again, I'll check t

Re: while c = f.read(1)

"Greg McIntyre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My files are large, hence 1 character at a time, not f.read(). There are alternatives between the two. You could read in a chunk of reasonable size for your platform. Say 10meg on a recent workstation, or 100meg on a current workstation. > This is cod

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

"Mike Schilling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "l v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Xah Lee wrote: >>> (circa 1996), and email should be text only (anti-MIME, circa 1995), >> >> I think e-mail should be text only. I have both my email and news readers >> set to

Re: global interpreter lock

Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > Bryan Olson writes: > >>Mike Meyer wrote: > >> > The rule I follow in choosing my tools is "Use the least complex tool > >> > that will get the job done." > >>Eve

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

"Mike Schilling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Another advantage is that evewry internet-enabled computer today already > comes with an HTML renderer (AKA browser) No, they don't. Minimalist Unix distributions don't include a browser by default. I know the BSD's don't, and suspect that gentoo Lin

Static vs. dynamic checking for support of concurrent programming

The recent thread on threads caused me to reread the formal definition of SCOOP, and I noticed something I hadn't really impressed me the first time around: it's using staticly checkable rules to help ensure correct behavior in a concurrent environment. That's impressive. That's *really* impressiv

Re: variable hell

quot;'from %s import %s' % (script, script)")) > exec(eval("'self.user_class = %s()' % script")) > self.user_class.run() > > But this can probably be done with the imp module too. > >>>>rafi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Paul Rubin <http://[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> > Another advantage is that evewry internet-enabled computer today >>> > already comes with an HTML renderer

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gordon Burditt) writes: >>HTML is designed to degrade gracefully (never mind that most web >>authors and many browser developers don't seem to comprehend this), so >>you don't really need a "subset" html to get the safety features you >>want. All you need to do is disable the ap

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

Ulrich Hobelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, the few sites where I actually have to log in to do anything > useful, when they're well-coded, tell me that they need cookies, and > if I think I like that website I make an exception entry for that > site, allowing cookies. Most sites just bomba

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Chris Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I mean, the way >> Webmail works, you're at the message list and click on a message to >> view. This causes a whole new page, user-interface and all, to be >> loaded. In comparison, that's like shutting down and re-op

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's time consuming because there is (yet) no need for it. When I > started to use Usenet there where only a handful of clients (IIRC), nn > and another one (rn?) are the only ones that I can recall. By the time nn was out, there were a number of radically

Re: global interpreter lock

Paul Rubin writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (phil hunt) writes: >> >Let's see. Reality is that writing correct programs is hard. Writing >> >correct programs that use concurrency is even harder, because of the >> >exponential explosion of the order that operations can happen

Writing portable applications (Was: Jargons of Info Tech industry)

Ulrich Hobelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: >>> This can be designed much better by using iframes, maybe even Ajax. >> Definitely with Ajax. That's one of the things it does really well. > But then you're probably limited to the big 4 of br

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

Ulrich Hobelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: >> Try turning off JavaScript (I assume you don't because you didn't >> complain about it). Most of the sites on the web that use it don't >> even use the NOSCRIPT tag to notify you that you

Re: Jargons of Info Tech industry

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In comp.lang.perl.misc John Bokma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Chris Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> What advantages would those be (other than access from 'net cafes, but >>> see below)? >> And workplaces. Some people have more then one computer in the house. My >

Re: Writing portable applications (Was: Jargons of Info Tech industry)

Rich Teer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 27 Aug 2005, Mike Meyer wrote: >> I think you're right - a web standard designed for writing real >> applications probably wouldn't start life as a markup for text. The >> only thing I can think of that even tries

Re: Writing portable applications

Ulrich Hobelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: >>> I'd rather develop a native client for the machine that people >>> actually WANT to use, instead of forcing them to use that >>> little-fiddly web browser on a teeny tiny display. >

Re: Dynamic image creation for the web...

Tompa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The other thing you may need to check is the HTTP header of the >> generated image. > If possible I'd rather separate the HTTP/HTML-stuff from image creation. > I'd like to have an HTML file that refers to a py-file that creates images > which are returned som

Re: global interpreter lock

Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: phil hunt wrote: > > What's important is *predictability*, e.g. which instruction will > > the computer execute next? > > > > If you only have one thread, you can tell by looking at the code > > what gets executed next. It's very simple. > Not really. Tr

Re: global interpreter lock

Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > Bryan Olson writes: > > phil hunt wrote: > >> > What's important is *predictability*, e.g. which instruction will > >> > the computer execute next? > >> > If

Re: using common lisp with python.

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Your best bet is probably to look into your LISP environment's FFI > (Foreign Function Interface). Most LISP environments have some way to > call C code directly. Insofar as going back the other way... that I'm > a little more sketchy on. Guile (

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

"Adriaan Renting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Marked -1 Flamebait, but I'll respond anyway. Yup. > I do agree that a lot of OSS projects seem to lack somewhat in the > documentation department, compared to a lot of commercial software. You know what? My experience is just the opposite. Commerc

Re: Writing portable applications

Ulrich Hobelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: >> I'm still waiting for an answer to that one - where's the Java toolkit >> that handles full-featured GUIs as well as character cell >> interfaces. Without that, you aren't doing the job t

Re: global interpreter lock

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bengt Richter) writes: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 05:15:34 GMT, Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Mike Meyer wrote: >> > Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > Bryan Olson writes: >> >> > Trivially, an '

Re: Precise timings ?

Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, no. All I am looking for is for the system to report its time with > better resolution. I know it is possible on my hardware, because I can get > at very precise timings using Fortran 95 intrinsics in my other code. Then you could always write a C

Re: Adding bound methods dynamically... CORRECTED

bruno modulix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Devan L wrote: >> Kevin Little wrote: >> >>>I want to dynamically add or replace bound methods in a class. > > (snip) > >> I'm not an expert, but why do you need to dynamically add or replace >> bound methods? > > To modify the behaviour at runtime ?-

Re: global interpreter lock

Bryan Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bengt Richter wrote: > > Bryan Olson wrote: > >>For a long time, > >>the most sophisticated software services generally have used > >>multiple lines of execution, and now that's mostly in the form > >>of threads. No one actually disagrees, but they go

Re: Calling ftp commands from python

"Thierry Lam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is it possible to run an ftp command to connect to some remote computer > on the network. Yes, but why would you want to do taht? > For example, if I want to retrieve some data from > \\remcomputer\datafiles on the network and copy it to my local > com

Re: OpenSource documentation problems

"Terry Reedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Rocco Moretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> There is just one giant roadblock to that suggestion - Sourceforge >> requires a login to post bugs/patches. > > After reading this and the rest of your post, and rememberin

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