Re: What does pygame.Movie mean by `an MPEG file'?

2005-09-29 Thread Kilian A. Foth
Christophe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kilian A. Foth a écrit : > > I just found this amazing video puzzle game written with the pygame > > library, which promises to be infinite fun - but I can't get it to > > decode any video file I own, except the game's own example .mpg. All I > > have is lots

c/c++ and python

2005-09-29 Thread Mattia Adami
Hi to all! I have a little problem. I want to develop an application in c/c++ that creates a window with gtk+ accordinly to the information on a xml file. The funcions that are called for manage the event should be written in python. I don't know how to do it, can you help me? Is it possible? Thank

Re: Spoiler to Python Challenge (help!!!)

2005-09-29 Thread Ian Vincent
Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: > bz2.decompress(eval('"' + user + '"')) > > Sorry about that. I was trying the other as an alternative, > but in fact, it doesn't work. So ignore that. Excellent! Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pytho

Re: c/c++ and python

2005-09-29 Thread Alessandro Bottoni
Mattia Adami wrote: > Hi to all! > I have a little problem. I want to develop an application in c/c++ that > creates a window with gtk+ accordinly to the information on a xml file. > The funcions that are called for manage the event should be written in > python. I don't know how to do it, can you

Documenting members

2005-09-29 Thread Lasse Vågsæther Karlsen
I have a Connection class that exposes members for the hostname, etc. ie. class Connection: def __init__(...): self.server = server is there any way to document this "server" member? The only way I know of right now is to expose it as a property and add the doc string to that def

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Paul Rubin
Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ah, but in the way of your code -- it is not "your car"... It is the > car you supplied to someone "hundreds of miles away"... And they are > perfectly free to open the hood... tamper with the engine programming, etc. I don't understand what yo

Re: c/c++ and python

2005-09-29 Thread Mattia Adami
Thanks a lot, very clear and usefull anser! Yes, I know PyGTK and wxPython, but I want to develop a plugin for another application that requires c++. I guess that embedding is the appropriate way. Thanks. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Telephony project

2005-09-29 Thread Roger
Thanks for all the helpful postings! A clearer specification for my project is that the CALLER speaks directly to list_member. And enters, thru GUI checkbox(s), answering: r_u_ok?; Send chuch member to visit list_member; call Social Worker, help needed, etc. An important element is to verify

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Gregor Horvath
Paul Rubin schrieb: > > If you don't want the compiler to make sure your private instance > variables stay private, then don't declare them that way. You're the > one asking for less flexibility. I want to declare them as privat, but want to give the flexibilty to access them at the users own

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Paul Rubin
Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If you don't want the compiler to make sure your private instance > > variables stay private, then don't declare them that way. You're the > > one asking for less flexibility. > > I want to declare them as private, but want to give the flexibilty to

A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread Peter Corbett
I've written a program to illustrate a few... syntactic issues with Python. It's 158 <80 character lines long. About how short should a program be to be postable to this newsgroup - in other words, at what length should you stick it on a web page and post a link? Peter -- A frightful hobgoblin

Re: byte code generated under linux ==> bad magic number under

2005-09-29 Thread skip
Fredrik> byte code is portable between platforms, but it's not portable Fredrik> between different major Python releases (2.4.2 can run 2.4.1 Fredrik> bytecodes, but not 2.3 bytecodes, etc). There is one slight problem with transporting .pyc files. The generated .pyc file records the

Re: A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread skip
Peter> About how short should a program be to be postable to this Peter> newsgroup - in other words, at what length should you stick it on Peter> a web page and post a link? 158 lines is probably not a killer. However, consider what misbehaving news and mail readers are likely to do

A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Peter Corbett
One of my friends has recently taken up Python, and was griping a bit about the language (it's too "prescriptive" for his tastes). In particular, he didn't like the way that Python expressions were a bit crippled. So I delved a bit into the language, and found some sources of syntactic sugar that I

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread en.karpachov
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:14:50 -0500 Chris Gonnerman wrote: > There are two philosophies about programming: > > -- Make it hard to do wrong. > > -- Make it easy to do right. > > What you are promoting is the first philosophy: Tie the programmer's > hands so he can't do wrong. Python for the most

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Richie Hindle
[Peter] > http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html Beautiful! Greenspun's Tenth Rule[1] performed before your very eyes! (Not quite, because you started with Python so you were already half way there. And yours probably isn't buggy. 8-) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun's_Tenth_Rule

Re: A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread Peter Corbett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Peter> About how short should a program be to be postable to this > Peter> newsgroup - in other words, at what length should you stick it on > Peter> a web page and post a link? > > 158 lines is probably not a killer. However, consider what misbehaving n

PDF Viewer

2005-09-29 Thread Pepe Pena
I am new to programming and need some guidance on the development of the following application.  The proposed application will display two pdf documents simultaneously to be viewed and simple navigation will be facilitated (i.e. turning pages).    Furthermore, the pdf documents must be linked to

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Gregor Horvath
Paul Rubin schrieb: > > You could have a "friend" declaration like in C++, if you want to let > some class see the private instance variables of another class. Everything is said on this topic. There are two ligitimate solutions to the problem of private instance variables. Its a matter of tas

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Paul Rubin
Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Everything is said on this topic. There are two ligitimate solutions > to the problem of private instance variables. Its a matter of taste, > and mine is the pythonic one. The Pythonic solution is to have both solutions available, and Python in fact use

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Paul Rubin
Peter Corbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html > Madness! I love it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Zope3 Examples?

2005-09-29 Thread bruno modulix
Markus Wankus wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anyone know of any good Zope3 examples? Ask the Zope mailing-list. Zope is a world by itself, and is usually not discussed here. BTW, Zope3 is a really really new thing, so you won't find much existing apps. When it's said that it offers 'the best from P

Re: another time challenge

2005-09-29 Thread Eddie Corns
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Hey there pythoneers >i have another question about time, specifically, the mxDateTime >module. >i have been able to get a RelativeDateTimeDiff between two times, >it gives me a difference between two DateTimes in the form of +3days >+2hours etc... >so, if i have a dat

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:14:50 -0500 > Chris Gonnerman wrote: > > >>There are two philosophies about programming: >> >>-- Make it hard to do wrong. >> >>-- Make it easy to do right. >> >>What you are promoting is the first philosophy: Tie the programmer's >>hands so he ca

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Holden
Paul Rubin wrote: > Gregor Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>>If you don't want the compiler to make sure your private instance >>>variables stay private, then don't declare them that way. You're the >>>one asking for less flexibility. >> >>I want to declare them as private, but want to giv

Re: duplicate entries

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Holden
jackie chang wrote: > Dear Python Gurus: > > > > I am a very new Python user, would really appreciate your help. > > > > I used Python to write a web form for users to enter. The underlined > database is Oracle. One validation needs to enforce to eliminate > duplicates entries. For exampl

Re: A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread Peter Hansen
Peter Corbett wrote: > I've written a program to illustrate a few... syntactic issues with > Python. It's 158 <80 character lines long. > > About how short should a program be to be postable to this newsgroup - > in other words, at what length should you stick it on a web page and > post a link?

Re: Will Python Be Good For This Type Of Project?

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Holden
Hal Vaughan wrote: > I'm self taught and most of what I've been working on for the past several > years has been entirely in Perl and Java. I've noticed that I can code > about 5 times faster in Perl than Java, in part because I feel like > whenever I want to do something in Java, I have to create

Re: A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Peter Hansen wrote: > Does it really have to be 158 lines to demonstrate these few issues? I > for one almost never take the time to dig through 158 lines of someone > else's code, partly on the assumption that almost any interesting issue > can be covered (using Python, specifically) in about a

Re: Zope3 Examples?

2005-09-29 Thread Markus Wankus
bruno modulix wrote: > Markus Wankus wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Does anyone know of any good Zope3 examples? > > Ask the Zope mailing-list. Zope is a world by itself, and is usually not > discussed here. > > BTW, Zope3 is a really really new thing, so you won't find much existing > apps. When it's

Re: A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread Richie Hindle
[Peter] > Does it really have to be 158 lines to demonstrate these few issues? I think you missed the other Peter's second post, where he points to his program: http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html I didn't read every one of his 158 lines, but his code is pure poetry, or possibly triple-dis

Re: Documenting members

2005-09-29 Thread Miki Tebeka
Hello Lasse, > I have a Connection class that exposes members for the hostname, etc. > > ie. > > class Connection: > def __init__(...): > self.server = server > > is there any way to document this "server" member? The only way I know > of right now is to expose it as a property a

Re: converting Word to MediaWiki

2005-09-29 Thread Peter Hansen
Jeff Schwab wrote: > ChiTownBob wrote: > >> Perl just sucks, as all good Python hackers know! > > > I disagree. Perl has saved my butt more times than I care to count. > Python certainly has its advantages, but I won't be giving up Perl any > time soon. Are the two necessarily in conflict?

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Jeff Schwab
Peter Corbett wrote: > One of my friends has recently taken up Python, and was griping a bit > about the language (it's too "prescriptive" for his tastes). In > particular, he didn't like the way that Python expressions were a bit > crippled. So I delved a bit into the language, and found some sour

Re: converting Word to MediaWiki

2005-09-29 Thread Jorge Godoy
Peter Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are the two necessarily in conflict? Perl can save your butt and _still_ > suck! If it pays the bill... :-) -- Jorge Godoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread Duncan Booth
Richie Hindle wrote: > > [Peter] >> Does it really have to be 158 lines to demonstrate these few issues? > > I think you missed the other Peter's second post, where he points to > his program: http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html > > I didn't read every one of his 158 lines, but his code i

Re: another time challenge

2005-09-29 Thread nephish
cool, thanks -shawn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Richie Hindle
[Peter] > http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html [Jeff] > Yuma Valley Agricultural Center? > Yaak Valley Forest Council? I went through the same process. My guess is "Yes, Very F'ing Clever." Peter? -- Richie Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

return own type from Python extention?

2005-09-29 Thread elho
I used the examples from the "Extending and Embedding the Python Interpreter" tutorial and this works. I can use my types with python. But I do not know how to creat my own Python variable in an python extending c-code. What will I have to creat this and return it to my python programm? -- http

User-defined augmented assignment

2005-09-29 Thread Pierre Barbier de Reuille
Hello, a discussion began on python-dev about this. It began by a bug report, but is shifted and it now belongs to this discussion group. The problem I find with augmented assignment is it's too complex, it's badly explained, it's error-prone. And most of all, I don't see any use-case for it ! T

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Paul Boddie
Paul Rubin wrote: > If changing the way a class uses its own private variables breaks an > application > because another class was using the private variable unexpectedly, > then that's bad, regardless of whether the other class's author was > notified or not. It's better to let the compiler auto

Re: User-defined augmented assignment

2005-09-29 Thread Reinhold Birkenfeld
Pierre Barbier de Reuille wrote: > So, what I would suggest is to drop the user-defined augmented > assignment and to ensure this equivalence : > > a X= b <=> a = a X b > > with 'X' begin one of the operators. It can be done, but it's unnecessary for mutable objects like sets or lists. A new ob

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:07:56 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: >> One that is in other languages not even possible. A clear disadvantage. >> Python gives me power and does not take it away like the others. > > Huh? If my car has a "feature" that lets someone blow it to > smithereens from hundreds of mile

Re: A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Holden
Richie Hindle wrote: > [Peter] > >>Does it really have to be 158 lines to demonstrate these few issues? > > > I think you missed the other Peter's second post, where he points to his > program: http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html > > I didn't read every one of his 158 lines, but his code

Re: return own type from Python extention?

2005-09-29 Thread elho
Thx, but my Problem is to get my own type before. If I have a C-Type, I know how tu return it from the Python extention, but how will it work with my own type? I expect something like the following: static PyObject* wrap_MyFunction (PyObject* self, PyObject* args) { : MyPyType *myType = MyT

Set up Windows environment with python

2005-09-29 Thread Jim
My company resells windows machines, and we install our software, and do a bunch of customization to make sure that all the desktop settings are optimal... we adjust the screen resolution, color depth, and referesh rate, remove shadows from menus and the mouse pointer, set the power management o

PyWin SendMessage

2005-09-29 Thread g.franzkowiak
Hello everybody, I've tryed to use an interprocess communication via SendMessage on Windows. Unfortunately, nothing goes on # #! /usr/bin/env python import win32api, win32ui, win32con import struct, array """ typedef struct

Re: User-defined augmented assignment

2005-09-29 Thread Pierre Barbier de Reuille
Reinhold Birkenfeld a écrit : > Pierre Barbier de Reuille wrote: > > >>So, what I would suggest is to drop the user-defined augmented >>assignment and to ensure this equivalence : >> >>a X= b <=> a = a X b >> >>with 'X' begin one of the operators. > > > It can be done, but it's unnecessary for

What python idioms for private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Michael Schneider
I have been following this thread with great interest. I have been coding in C++ since the late 80's and Java since the late 90's. I do use private in these languages, with accessors to get at internal data. This has become an ingrained idiom for me. When I create a python object, it is natu

Re: return own type from Python extention?

2005-09-29 Thread Jeremy Moles
Building a fully-fledged, custom Python object in C isn't a trivial task; it isn't a hard one either, but it isn't trivial. :) Basically, as far as I know, you'll need to create a PyTypeObject structure, populate it accordingly, and then call a few setup functions on it... // -

Problem with long strings in the Boost.Python getting_started2 sample ?

2005-09-29 Thread Sylvain MARIE
Hi all, I am discovering Boost.Python, and weird exceptions in my dummy extension modules lead me to think there is a potential problem with the getting_started2 sample : if you replace the first lines >>> hi = hello('California') >>> hi.greet() 'Hello from California' by >>> hi = hello('A lon

Re: return own type from Python extention?

2005-09-29 Thread Jeremy Moles
One more thing! :) The _new method probably isn't what you want to modify the actual interl C object; the initproc method actually gives you a pointer to it as it's first object... (it's the tp_init member in the PyTypeObject sturcture.) On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 15:59 +0200, elho wrote: > Thx, but m

Re: Set up Windows environment with python

2005-09-29 Thread Brett Hoerner
I don't have experience with scipting this... but I know that resolution for example is stored in registry, and _that_ is what is loaded when you boot. I think most, if not all, of your changes will be found in the registry (for permenance). Also, have you checked out PyWin32? It's just a big pr

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Peter Corbett
Richie Hindle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [Peter] > > http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html > > [Jeff] > > Yuma Valley Agricultural Center? > > Yaak Valley Forest Council? > > I went through the same process. My guess is "Yes, Very F'ing Clever." > Peter? You're all thinking about it t

A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Xah Lee
A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum Xah Lee, 200509 On Guido van Rossum's website: http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=98196 dated 20050826, he muses with the idea that he would like to remove lambda, reduce(), filter() and map() constructs in a future version Python 3000. Guido wrot

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread en.karpachov
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:16:02 +1000 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Say you have written a class, with a private variable. I decide that I > need access to that variable, for reasons you never foresaw. What if the access to that variable was forbidden for reasons you never foresaw? What if the class auth

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On Thursday 29 September 2005 03:57, Paul Rubin wrote: > I can't think of a single time that I've ever seen a legitimate use > of name mangling to reach from one class into another in a Python > application (I don't count something like a debugger). If you're got > some concrete examples I wouldn'

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Holden
Paul Rubin wrote: > Dennis Lee Bieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Ah, but in the way of your code -- it is not "your car"... It is the >>car you supplied to someone "hundreds of miles away"... And they are >>perfectly free to open the hood... tamper with the engine programming, etc. > >

Re: What python idioms for private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On Thursday 29 September 2005 09:08, Michael Schneider wrote: > Design Intent: > > 1) mark an object as dirty in a setter (anytime the object is > changed, the dirty flag is set without requiring a user to set the > dirty flag 2 ways: wrap every attribute that is to be set in a property object (in

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:36:03 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> No, but that is precisely why Python's semi-private variables are >> usually better. Names like _X and class.__X are warnings to the developer >> "use these at your own risk", without preventing

Re: converting Word to MediaWiki

2005-09-29 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On Thursday 29 September 2005 07:43, Peter Hansen wrote: > Are the two necessarily in conflict? Perl can save your butt and > _still_ suck! Hear, hear! Although I think it's the vi user in me that makes me like Perl... - Michael -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Simon Brunning
On 9/29/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What if the access to that variable was forbidden for reasons you never > foresaw? What if the class author decide to remove the variable in the next > version of the class, because it's not an interface, but only a part of the > class impl

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On Thursday 29 September 2005 04:53, Peter Corbett wrote: > One of my friends has recently taken up Python, and was griping a bit > about the language (it's too "prescriptive" for his tastes). In > particular, he didn't like the way that Python expressions were a bit > crippled. So I delved a bit i

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Michael Goettsche
On Thursday 29 September 2005 16:24, Xah Lee wrote: > A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum > > Xah Lee, 200509 > Assuming you want to reach people to convince them your position is right, why don't you try that in proper language? "moron" occured 7 times in your not too long text, that doesn't let y

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread fraca7
Richie Hindle a écrit : > [Peter] > >>http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html > > > [Jeff] > >>Yuma Valley Agricultural Center? >>Yaak Valley Forest Council? > > > I went through the same process. My guess is "Yes, Very F'ing Clever." > Peter? > print ''.join(map(lambda x: chrord(x)

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Jeff Schwab
fraca7 wrote: > Richie Hindle a écrit : > >> [Peter] >> >>> http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html >> >> >> >> [Jeff] >> >>> Yuma Valley Agricultural Center? >>> Yaak Valley Forest Council? >> >> >> >> I went through the same process. My guess is "Yes, Very F'ing Clever." >> Peter? >> > > pri

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Cyril Bazin
"Crypthonic" could be the exact word...On 29 Sep 2005 15:19:11 +0100, Peter Corbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Richie Hindle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes:>> [Peter]> > http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html>> [Jeff]> > Yuma Valley Agricultural Center? > > Yaak Valley Forest Council?>> I went thro

Re: A quick c.l.p netiquette question

2005-09-29 Thread Mike Meyer
Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I think you missed the other Peter's second post, where he points to >> his >> program: http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html >> I didn't read every one of his 158 lines, but his code is pure >> poetry, or >> possibly triple-distilled evil, depending

Re: 1 Million users.. I can't Scale!!

2005-09-29 Thread Aahz
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Schwab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Sure, multiple machines are probably the right approach for the OP; I >didn't mean to disagree with that. I just don't think they are "the >only practical way for a multi-process application to scale beyond a few >proces

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Richie Hindle
[Peter] > http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html [fraca7] > print ''.join(map(lambda x: chrord(x) - ord('a')) + 13) % 26) + > ord('a')), 'yvfc')) Ah! Or more easily, Edit / Apply ROT13. Thanks! -- Richie Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What python idioms for private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Michael Schneider wrote: > 1) mark an object as dirty in a setter (anytime the object is changed, > the dirty flag is set without requiring a user to set the dirty flag properties. > 2) enforce value constraints (even if just during debugging) properties. (when you no longer need to enforce th

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
Steve Holden wrote: > To avoid naming conflicts, Python provides a mechanism (name mangling) > which pretty much guarantees that your names won't conflict with anybody > else's, *even if you subclass a class whose methods use the same name*. as long as you don't cheat, that is: # your code clas

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What if the access to that variable was forbidden for reasons you never > foresaw? What if the class author decide to remove the variable in the next > version of the class, because it's not an interface, but only a part of the > class implementation? you mean when he b

Re: Set up Windows environment with python

2005-09-29 Thread Thomas Heller
"Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My company resells windows machines, and we install our software, and > do a bunch of customization to make sure that all the desktop settings > are optimal... we adjust the screen resolution, color depth, and > referesh rate, remove shadows from menus and the

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread dataw0lf
Michael Goettsche wrote: > Assuming you want to reach people to convince them your position is right, > why > don't you try that in proper language? "moron" occured 7 times in your not > too long text, that doesn't let you look like a tech moron or a math moron, > but just like a moron. Actua

Re: PyWin SendMessage

2005-09-29 Thread Thomas Heller
"g.franzkowiak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello everybody, > > I've tryed to use an interprocess communication via > SendMessage on Windows. > Unfortunately, nothing goes on > > # > #! /usr/bin/env python > > import win32a

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Rocco Moretti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:16:02 +1000 > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >>Say you have written a class, with a private variable. I decide that I >>need access to that variable, for reasons you never foresaw. > > What if the access to that variable was forbidden for reasons you ne

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Rocco Moretti
fraca7 wrote: > Richie Hindle a écrit : > >> [Peter] >> >>> http://www.pick.ucam.org/~ptc24/yvfc.html >> >> >> >> [Jeff] >> >>> Yuma Valley Agricultural Center? >>> Yaak Valley Forest Council? >> >> >> >> I went through the same process. My guess is "Yes, Very F'ing Clever." >> Peter? >> > > pri

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Jorge Godoy
Michael Goettsche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thursday 29 September 2005 16:24, Xah Lee wrote: > > A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum > > > > Xah Lee, 200509 > > > > Assuming you want to reach people to convince them your position is right, > why > don't you try that in proper language? "mor

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
"fraca7" wrote: > print ''.join(map(lambda x: chrord(x) - ord('a')) + 13) % 26) + > ord('a')), 'yvfc')) that's spelled print "yvfc".decode("rot-13") or, if you prefer, print "yvfc".encode("rot-13") , in contemporary python. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

portable way to get process infos

2005-09-29 Thread Tarek Ziadé
Hi, I am getting infos on the current process, under linux, by reading the file pointed by: '/proc/%d/status' % os.getpid() huh :( There's probably another way to do it on win32 but, i was wondering if there's a way or an existing extension out there to do make it work on any platform. Regard

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:29:36 +0400, en.karpachov wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:16:02 +1000 > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Say you have written a class, with a private variable. I decide that I >> need access to that variable, for reasons you never foresaw. > > What if the access to that variabl

New Python chess module

2005-09-29 Thread Will McGugan
Hi folks, I've written a Python chess module that does the following. * Reads / Writes PGN files * Write FEN files * Validates moves * Lists legal moves * Detects check / mate / stalemate / 50 move rule / threefold repetition Its still rough around the edges and not fully tested. I'll eventualy

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Roel Schroeven
Steve Holden schreef: >There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it. >Although that way may not be obvious at first unless you're Dutch. > >Note that word "obvious": nobody says you *have* to do things the >obvious way. > > Q: Are you Dutch or something? >

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread could ildg
**Encapsulation** is one of the 3 basic characteristics of OOP.When I firstly turned to python, it was my first script language.That time I found that python has not real private properties,I felt weird. If an oop language can't encapsulate something I want, is it really an oop language? I asked my

Re: A rather unpythonic way of doing things

2005-09-29 Thread Simon Brunning
On 9/29/05, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "fraca7" wrote: > > > print ''.join(map(lambda x: chrord(x) - ord('a')) + 13) % 26) + > > ord('a')), 'yvfc')) > > that's spelled > > print "yvfc".decode("rot-13") > > or, if you prefer, > > print "yvfc".encode("rot-13") > > , in co

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Steve Holden
Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Steve Holden wrote: > > >>To avoid naming conflicts, Python provides a mechanism (name mangling) >>which pretty much guarantees that your names won't conflict with anybody >>else's, *even if you subclass a class whose methods use the same name*. > > > as long as you don't

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Simon Brunning
On 9/29/05, could ildg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > **Encapsulation** is one of the 3 basic characteristics of OOP. Pyhton has encapsulation. On objetcts members are encapsulated in a namespace all of its own. You can't change these by accident. > Every programmer is just a human being, but not

How to increment a date, and how to convert it ?

2005-09-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi ! 1. I have a code. I want to convert from wx.DatePickerCtrl.Value to mx.DateTime. But I don't know, how to do it simply. 2. I need to increment this date by 6 days. How to do it ? (I search for a simple way, like Delphi-s d2:=d1+6) The code section is: from mx import DateTime as m

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Bill Mill
> ___ > class a: > i=0 > def setI(iii): > if self.i!=iii: > self.i=iii > #do some extra works here, e.g, notify the observers that > #this property is changed, or do some logging things. > __

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Bill Mill
Error correction time! > >>> #here's how the crazy hackers subclassing your code can break your super > ... #special private variable! > ... That should be "using your code" not "subclassing your code". D'oh! Peace Bill Mill bill.mill at gmail.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyth

Re: Set up Windows environment with python

2005-09-29 Thread Jim
Thanks Thomas! That did it. I can now set the wallpaper, mouse shadows, menu shadows, and I can disable the screensaver. Does anyone know how I can adjust the power options? I want to make sure any hibernate or standby options are set to Never. Thanks, -Jim -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 350: Codetags

2005-09-29 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 09:10 AM 9/28/2005 -0700, Micah Elliott wrote: >I agree that proof of value is necessary. Without a spec though it >will be hard to get people to know about a convention/toolset, so it's >a bit of a chicken-egg problem -- I can't have a pep until the tools are >in use, but the tools won't be us

Re: New Python chess module

2005-09-29 Thread could ildg
Very good~On 9/29/05, Will McGugan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi folks,I've written a Python chess module that does the following.* Reads / Writes PGN files* Write FEN files* Validates moves* Lists legal moves* Detects check / mate / stalemate / 50 move rule / threefold repetition Its still rough a

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread skip
>> **Encapsulation** is one of the 3 basic characteristics of OOP. This isn't an encapsulation issue. From the first hit on Google for the word: In programming, the process of combining elements to create a new entity. For example, a procedure is a type of encapsulation because it

Re: A Moronicity of Guido van Rossum

2005-09-29 Thread Gerrit Holl
Xah Lee wrote: > ...What the fuck is the former? > ...What the fuck would anyone to > ...]”, is rather inane, as you can now see. > > ...What the fuck does it mean... > ...you begin to write things like Java... Can you please alter the tone of your voice? Gerrit. -- Temperature in Luleå, Norrb

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread could ildg
Thank you skip.Encapsulation or information hiding or whatever, that's what I'm looking forward to.On 9/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> **Encapsulation** is one of the 3 basic characteristics of OOP. This isn't an encapsulation issue.  From the first hit on Google for the

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread Fredrik Lundh
could ildg wrote: > Encapsulation or information hiding or whatever You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're looking for, because you might not find it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Will python never intend to support private, protected and public?

2005-09-29 Thread gsteff
I'm a CS student, and I've been following this thread with great interest, because we've been discussing the virtues of private visibility ("information hiding") in one of my courses recently. Does anyone know of academic papers that make the case against "private" in languages? Greg -- http://

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 350: Codetags

2005-09-29 Thread Paul Moore
On 9/29/05, Phillip J. Eby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My point about the lack of motivation was that there was little reason > shown why this should be a PEP instead of either: > > 1. Documentation for a specific tool, or group of tools > 2. A specific project's process documentation That's what

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