Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-09 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:13 am, Grant Edwards wrote: > After all, that boilerplate just makes the corporation look stupid and > incompetent. I wish that were true. Unfortunately, in the corporate world, it *doesn't* make them look stupid and incompetent. It makes them look conventional, careful,

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-09 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2016-09-08, Random832 wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 18:13, Grant Edwards wrote: >> After all, that boilerplate just makes the corporation look stupid and >> incompetent. Any email that leaves the corporate network must be >> assumed to be visible to world+dog. Anybody who thinks differentl

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email

2016-09-09 Thread jmp
On 09/08/2016 10:52 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Joaquin Alzola writes: That's not true; you can do more than we. Added by the MTA of the company not by my client. Right. So, here are things you can do (that we cannot) about this: * Complain, with reasoned explanation, to the management respon

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-09 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 18:27:44 -0400 Random832 wrote: > If every lawyer in the world benefits from the interpretation that > this sort of notice is legally effective (since tomorrow it may be > they who accidentaly send privileged information), who will argue in > court that it's not? The reality is

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-09 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 04:59 pm, Rustom Mody wrote: > On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 2:37:48 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: >> Joaquin Alzola writes: >> > Added by the MTA of the company not by my client. >> >> Right. So, here are things you can do (that we cannot) about this: >> * Switch to a diffe

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email

2016-09-09 Thread Rustom Mody
On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 6:49:52 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 9/8/2016 4:52 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > Joaquin Alzola writes: > >> >> the world? > >> > >> Cannot do anything. > > > > That's not true; you can do more than we. > > > >> Added by the MTA of the company not by my client.

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-09 Thread Rustom Mody
On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 2:37:48 AM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote: > Joaquin Alzola writes: > > Added by the MTA of the company not by my client. > > Right. So, here are things you can do (that we cannot) about this: > * Switch to a different mail service, one which does not add that > nonse

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-08 Thread Jussi Piitulainen
Grant Edwards writes: > On 2016-09-08, Joaquin Alzola wrote: > >> Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a >> company of 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. > > Perhaps others have complained. If enough people complain, maybe > they'll do something. > > Aft

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email

2016-09-08 Thread Ben Finney
Terry Reedy writes: > Something that some 'we' could do is ask the python-list > manager/programmers, or more broadly, the mailman developers, to > recognize an 'end of message' line, such as '--end message--' and > delete it and anything appended thereafter. No, that would be mangling messages

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-08 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > I suspect, like the last two companies I've worked for -- corporate IT > policy is to block any access to non-corporate email systems. (Heck, my > current company is so paranoid that it adds "EXT:" to the subject of > incoming ema

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email

2016-09-08 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/8/2016 4:52 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Joaquin Alzola writes: That's not true; you can do more than we. Added by the MTA of the company not by my client. Right. So, here are things you can do (that we cannot) about this: Something that some 'we' could do is ask the python-list manager

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email

2016-09-08 Thread Ben Finney
Chris Angelico writes: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Joaquin Alzola > wrote: > > Hi Ben > > > > Thanks for the advice. You're welcome, I hope it leads to positive change. > > Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a > > company of 80,000 people I will manage to change

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-08 Thread Random832
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016, at 18:13, Grant Edwards wrote: > After all, that boilerplate just makes the corporation look stupid and > incompetent. Any email that leaves the corporate network must be > assumed to be visible to world+dog. Anybody who thinks differently is > deluded and should not be allow

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-08 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2016-09-08, Joaquin Alzola wrote: > Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a > company of 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. Perhaps others have complained. If enough people complain, maybe they'll do something. After all, that boilerplate just makes

RE: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-08 Thread Lew Pitcher
On Thursday September 8 2016 17:17, in comp.lang.python, "Joaquin Alzola" wrote: > Hi Ben > > Thanks for the advice. > >> * Complain > > Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a company of > 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. Why don't you, at least, i

Re: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-08 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Joaquin Alzola wrote: > Hi Ben > > Thanks for the advice. > >> * Complain > > Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a company of > 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. > This email is confidential and may be subject to privil

RE: What you can do about legalese nonsense on email (was: How to split value where is comma ?)

2016-09-08 Thread Joaquin Alzola
Hi Ben Thanks for the advice. > * Complain Basically what all comes down is to complain. I wonder if in a company of 80,000 people I will manage to change that behaviour. This email is confidential and may be subject to privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not copy or di