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Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Subject: RE: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
Lou,
I have upgraded to V8 and it is much slicker. Also the VM's run about 10-20%
quicker with a nice ne
unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
On 09/30/11 07:01, Dave Crozier wrote:
> Kurt,
> As it is only pre Beta and NOT for production then put it into a VM.
>
> That's what I have done.
Hi, Dave
How did you accomplish that? I tried twice, and didn't succeed. First
I lo
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Of Lou Syracuse
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http://www.kunal-chowdhury.com/2011/09/step-by-step-tutorial-to-setup-window
s8.html
As they did I used an evaluation of VMWare8 r
f Dan Covill
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Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
On 09/30/11 07:01, Dave Crozier wrote:
> Kurt,
> As it is only pre Beta and NOT for production then put it into a VM.
>
> That's what I ha
On 09/30/11 07:01, Dave Crozier wrote:
> Kurt,
> As it is only pre Beta and NOT for production then put it into a VM.
>
> That's what I have done.
Hi, Dave
How did you accomplish that? I tried twice, and didn't succeed. First
I loaded the MS Virtual PC, but discovered that it can't run 64-bit
Understood - thanks.
-K-
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Kurt,
As
Just curious...
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To: profoxt...@leafe.com
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Anybody who wan
From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Bourke
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To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
Anybody who wants a developer preview of Win 8 here it
lelandj wrote:
> Running your own mail server is not as bad as people may think, and has
> its advantanges. In order to do it, you would need a static IP address,
> an MX record on a DNS, a router that forwards to the local computer that
> acts as the smtp mail server.
>
> The hard part is ini
On Friday, September 16, 2011 7:03 PM, "Lew Schwartz"
wrote:
> This is frightening. Why couldn't they build this ui on top of W7? The
> Linux model is so superior it's dizzying: os is one entity, ui
> another.
Um .. it's been like that in Windows for a long time. Just because it's
not a common
This is frightening. Why couldn't they build this ui on top of W7? The
Linux model is so superior it's dizzying: os is one entity, ui
another. My company is spending hundreds of thousands on the W7
roll-out & compatibility issues.
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC
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> On 9/14/2011 10:52 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>> This is the first push into this area and it may not be perfect but it
>> will continue. Everything evolves.
>
>
> That's kind of what some folks are complaining about, Steve...th
>In my experience, using windows is asking for trouble.
Well yeah, there is that. :)
Ken Dibble
www.stic-cil.org
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In my experience, using windows is asking for trouble.
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To:
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
> With Win2000, when you select to share, it is shared
> With Win2000, when you select to share, it is shared. Sharing has not
> worked correctly
> > since.
>
>I'm sure that's true. I've just never been an advocate for peer-to-peer
>file sharing.
>The one exception is whatever server(s) on the network have files to
>share. They are
>servers, so th
On 9/14/2011 10:52 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> This is the first push into this area and it may not be perfect but it
> will continue. Everything evolves.
That's kind of what some folks are complaining about, Steve...they don't
see it as evolving, but just bullshit for the sake of change.
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>
> Sure. First, I think the problem is that the hidden attribute test is
> failing because it's only on the directory and not on the files. I
> think you really just want to skip any file that has '_vti_cnf' in its
> directory path. Here's a snippet in Ruby that will do that:
>
Thanks Ted - I'
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
>
> These _vti_cnf folders are all marked with the Hidden attribute.
>
> So anyway, when I produce the listing I do something like this:
>
> dir /b /s /A-H | findstr ".doc" | sort > myfile.txt
>
> So I guess the command line kung-fu I am want
On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:51 AM, "Paul McNett"
wrote:
> On 9/14/11 11:02 AM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
> > I hear from a bro that at least with Windows 8 Server, the GUI is
> > optional...
>
> I'm betting that there will be a whole host of sysadmin functions you
> just won't be
> able t
On 9/14/11 3:44 PM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
> So I guess the command line kung-fu I am wanting is a way to get a list
> of all the *.doc files, in all the subdirs that are not marked as
> Hidden. (I'll sort it myself later).
>
> Any takers?
Write a shell script in Python using os.path.walk(). Invok
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> On Behalf Of Paul Hill
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:15 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
>
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
wrote:
> I *hate* the new desktop UI on Ubuntu...
OK, I need to eat my words. A little bit of Googling shows that
changing back to the "classic" Ubuntu desktop is a piece of cake. I
shoulda known.
I haven't been able to try it yet, as that
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> On 9/14/11 1:21 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>>
>>> I'm betting that there will be a whole host of sysadmin functions you just
>>> won't be
>>> able to do nearly as effectively without the GUI.
>
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> Several things make the *nix shell so useful, but mostly it's that there are
> hundreds
> (thousands?) of shell utilities at your disposal that are designed to do
> exactly one
> thing very well. They accept, at a minimum, input on stdin and
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> Several things make the *nix shell so useful, but mostly it's that there are
> hundreds
> (thousands?) of shell utilities at your disposal that are designed to do
> exactly one
> thing very well. They accept, at a minimum, input on stdin and
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> On Behalf Of Paul McNett
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:32 PM
> To: profoxt...@leafe.com
> Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
>
Because otherwise someone might change it to say something different?
GASP! I'm thinking the legal beagles were behind this.
Mike
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From: Paul McNett
To: profoxt...@leafe.com
Date: 9/14
On 9/14/11 1:21 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>
>> I'm betting that there will be a whole host of sysadmin functions you just
>> won't be
>> able to do nearly as effectively without the GUI.
>
> You'd be surprised. MS has made some advances in the past
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> I'm betting that there will be a whole host of sysadmin functions you just
> won't be
> able to do nearly as effectively without the GUI.
You'd be surprised. MS has made some advances in the past couple of
years with PowerShell and some of t
On 9/14/11 11:02 AM, Jarvis, Matthew wrote:
> I hear from a bro that at least with Windows 8 Server, the GUI is
> optional...
I'm betting that there will be a whole host of sysadmin functions you just
won't be
able to do nearly as effectively without the GUI. Editing plain-text config
files
wi
> >
> > I *hate* the new desktop UI on Ubuntu. Hate it. Same reason as the
> > "ribbon" BS in the MS Orifice (someone else commented on recently):
I
> > can't find *anything.* Seems like all of these redesigns are
pandering
> > to grandma-like users, who only know how to do 3 things.
>
> -
I teach MS Office so had to take the trouble to learn the ribbon. I now
find it easier to use. I have 2003, 2007 and 2010 on my machine and use
2010 on a daily basis as I prefer it.
John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631
> I thought that the ribbon was to show the user just how much potentia
I can see a situation developing similar to XP v Vista when Vista was
introduced with the major corporates wanting to stay with Win 7 if that is
what they have chosen as their standard as Win 8 appears be so radically
different.
John Weller
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On 9/14/11 9:31 AM, kamcgin...@gmail.com wrote:
> Don't forget sharing. When you "share", you have not shared anything. Try
> it. Nothing is shared. You need to do more
> undocumented steps to share. With Win2000, when you select to share, it is
> shared. Sharing has not worked correctly
> since
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:31 PM, wrote:
> Don't forget sharing. When you "share", you have not shared anything. Try
> it. Nothing is shared. You need to do more
> undocumented steps to share. With Win2000, when you select to share, it is
> shared. Sharing has not worked correctly
> since.
Wor
Don't forget sharing. When you "share", you have not shared anything. Try it.
Nothing is shared. You need to do more
undocumented steps to share. With Win2000, when you select to share, it is
shared. Sharing has not worked correctly
since.
>>> >> I sit
>>> >> down at a Vista or Windows 7 mach
On 9/14/11 4:51 AM, Allen wrote:
> To be honest Ted I'm not comfortable with Linux full stop. I don't get the
> time to learn basically, so what would be best is the simplest version to
> get to work.
> What I'm after is setting up a mail server to get rid of MS exchange. I want
> to be able to use
Running your own mail server is not as bad as people may think, and has
its advantanges. In order to do it, you would need a static IP address,
an MX record on a DNS, a router that forwards to the local computer that
acts as the smtp mail server.
The hard part is initial set-up, which involves
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> I thought that the ribbon was to show the user just how much potential
> was available. In that the typical user only tapped 5% of a word
> processor's capabilities...
Oh, I don't mean to disparage the ribbon or other improvements to the
On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:52 AM, "Stephen Russell"
wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
> I thought that the ribbon was to show the user just how much potential
> was available. In that the typical user only tapped 5% of a word
> processor's capabilities.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ken Kixmoeller (ProFox)
wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> Used Ubuntu recently? A new horizon in moving stuff around, and I hear
>> the latest OSX isn't shy about it either.
>
> I *hate* the new desktop UI on Ubuntu. Hate it. Same reas
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
> ...other than to say I strongly
> discourage people from running their own mail servers...
I went through all of this, too. Frankly, it felt "cutting edge" and
cool to have my own web server, including mail server etc. I learned
one *hell* of a
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
Used Ubuntu recently? A new horizon in moving stuff around, and I hear
> the latest OSX isn't shy about it either.
I *hate* the new desktop UI on Ubuntu. Hate it. Same reason as the
"ribbon" BS in the MS Orifice (someone else commented on recent
Thanks Ted.
It is a production mail server and I understand your worries, The storms
don't happen here so flooding is not an issue. Slow internet is but that's
not a biggie either.
It's just me really, mixture of keeping it sort of cheap and a liking of
running my own domains here. Other than spamm
I have heard this is already the case, however but I can't confirm it as I am
still downloading the 4.8GB ISO file lol
Lou
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On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:08 AM, "Ted Roche"
wrote:
>
>
> The experimentation with new things is a hassle. A ribbon instead of a
> menu, a tablet-like touch interface instead of a keyboard-and-mouse
> GUI; these are hard things to adjust to. It costs real companies real
> money to hav
> I help my clients set up their email with someone who does this for a living.
> After griping and moaning, most clients have found Google Apps for Business
> to be an acceptable substitute. The free version is
sufficient for small organizations, while the paid version is cheaper
than maintainin
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Allen wrote:
> To be honest Ted I'm not comfortable with Linux full stop. I don't get the
> time to learn basically, so what would be best is the simplest version to
> get to work.
Ubuntu.
> What I'm after is setting up a mail server to get rid of MS exchange.
Exactly!
John Harvey
>
> Like security?
Eh?
How does moving c:/WinNT/Profiles to c:/Documents and Settings to c:/Users
help security? Linux and Mac put it at /home on day one and left it there,
and those OS's are considered more secure than Windows.
How does moving Control Panel|Add/Remove Pro
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
> Used Ubuntu recently? A new horizon in moving stuff around, and I hear
> the latest OSX isn't shy about it either.
I've heard a lot of grumbling about Ubuntu's new Unity UI though I
haven't tried it myself. GNOME 3 is getting a rough receptio
To be honest Ted I'm not comfortable with Linux full stop. I don't get the
time to learn basically, so what would be best is the simplest version to
get to work.
What I'm after is setting up a mail server to get rid of MS exchange. I want
to be able to use multiple domains much as I can with IIS fo
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Allen wrote:
> I used to like red hat but I've not used Linux for some time. Now I am
> thinking of having a Linux server for mailing lists and to "play" with. What
> the current "fav"
For a stable, reliable OS with long-term supported apps and desktop,
it's hard
I used to like red hat but I've not used Linux for some time. Now I am
thinking of having a Linux server for mailing lists and to "play" with. What
the current "fav"
Al
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On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:14 AM, "Paul Hill"
wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Alan Bourke
> Debian worked fine (and is not much different to Ubuntu anyway).
I'm liking the look of Mint more and more.
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:34 PM, "john harvey"
> wrote:
>> I like the way MS moves stuff around from version to version, and/or
>> renames
>> programs. It makes for less productivity and increased frustration.
>
> Used Ubuntu recent
Anybody who wants a developer preview of Win 8 here it is:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516
Don't all rush at once.
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alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm
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On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:46 PM, "Paul McNett"
wrote:
> Yep, the difference is that with Ubuntu and Mac, they improve things that
> need
> improving. With Windows, they add eye-candy
Untrue. There is plenty more in Windows 7 than eye candy. And have you
seen the next Ubuntu? And the f
On Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:34 PM, "john harvey"
wrote:
> I like the way MS moves stuff around from version to version, and/or
> renames
> programs. It makes for less productivity and increased frustration.
>
Used Ubuntu recently? A new horizon in moving stuff around, and I hear
the late
] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
On 9/13/11 5:59 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> > On 9/13/11 4:48 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>>> >> I sit
>>> >> down at a Vista or Windows
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
>
>> Like security?
>
> Kinda funny that that had to be something added on, instead of a
> fundamental part of the OS.
Ed, security was always present of Windows NT.
NT is 10 years older
On 9/13/11 5:59 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> > On 9/13/11 4:48 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>>> >> I sit
>>> >> down at a Vista or Windows 7 machine and I have to look all over for
>>> >> stuff.
>> >
>> > Yep, the difference is that with Ubunt
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> On 9/13/11 5:24 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
>> PPC to Intel transition
>
> Apple's PPC to Intel transition was implemented very smoothly, and relatively
> quickly, too. The transition from 32-bit to 64-bit was also quite painless.
>
Yeah, that's wha
On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:
> Like security?
Kinda funny that that had to be something added on, instead of a
fundamental part of the OS.
> I like how the know it all's who work with the product know what is
> really going on.
I avoid using Windows as mu
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> On 9/13/11 4:48 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
>> I sit
>> down at a Vista or Windows 7 machine and I have to look all over for
>> stuff.
>
> Yep, the difference is that with Ubuntu and Mac, they improve things that need
> improving. With Windows, the
On 9/13/11 5:24 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
> PPC to Intel transition
Apple's PPC to Intel transition was implemented very smoothly, and relatively
quickly, too. The transition from 32-bit to 64-bit was also quite painless.
Paul
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On 9/13/11 4:48 PM, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> I sit
> down at a Vista or Windows 7 machine and I have to look all over for
> stuff.
Yep, the difference is that with Ubuntu and Mac, they improve things that need
improving. With Windows, they add eye-candy you end up turning off anyway after
the
hone
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>
>
> On 09/13/2011 03:42 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
>> On 9/13/2011 5:50 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote:
>>> Microsoft unveils a radically redes
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To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
On 09/13/2011 03:42 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> On 9/13/2011 5:50 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote:
>> Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
>> http://money.cnn
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> One thing that I found markedly different is that OS X releases form a
> more or less natural progression: each adds some things that were
> difficult/impossible in the previous version.
And in Windows, they make difficult/impossible th
On 09/13/2011 03:42 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote:
> On 9/13/2011 5:50 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote:
>> Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
>> http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/technology/microsoft_build_windows_8/index.htm
>>
>> Any of you have hands-on experience with preview/bet
On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> For the most part, this is true. However, I have a Tiger machine from 2001
> that
> otherwise runs great, except current iPhones can't sync with the iTunes on
> that
> computer, and I can't install the current iTunes because they don't make 'em
On 9/13/2011 6:01 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
> Now, it's new and improved! Brighter brights! Whiter whites! With tailfins!
Mr. Lee: "Ancient chinese secret!"
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On 9/13/2011 5:51 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote:
>
>> Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
>
> But I thought Windows 7 was the answer to all our problems! :)
They're running short on cash...time for a new OS.
On 9/13/2011 5:50 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote:
> Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
> http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/technology/microsoft_build_windows_8/index.htm
>
> Any of you have hands-on experience with preview/beta version of this
> product?
No, but I saw they're forcing the
On 9/13/11 3:15 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> but you never get the feeling that Version X-1 was crap, or is useless now.
For the most part, this is true. However, I have a Tiger machine from 2001 that
otherwise runs great, except current iPhones can't sync with the iTunes on that
computer, and I can't
On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
>> But I thought Windows 7 was the answer to all our problems! :)
>
> It was.
Reminds me of the wisdom of Homer J Simpson: "Here's to alcohol: the
cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems".
-- Ed Leafe
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On 9/13/11 2:51 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote:
>
>> Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
>
> But I thought Windows 7 was the answer to all our problems! :)
It was.
Paul
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> Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
>
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/technology/microsoft_build_windows_8/ind
ex
> .htm
>
> Any of you have hands-on experience with preview/beta version of this
> product?
>
> Malcolm
I'm not sure what the heck it was I saw recently, but our net
On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
> We could say similarly snide things about OS X "Tiger" I suspect. Or
> Ubuntu 'Unity' or GNOME 3
One thing that I found markedly different is that OS X releases form a
more or less natural progression: each adds some things that were
d
That's the difference!
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On Sep 13, 2011, at
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
> But I thought Windows 7 was the answer to all our problems! :)
Windows 7 was the 2009 version of the answer to all our problems. (Our
problems were codenamed 'Vista')
Now, it's new and improved! Brighter brights! Whiter whites! With tai
On Sep 13, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Malcolm Greene wrote:
> Microsoft unveils a radically redesigned Windows 8
But I thought Windows 7 was the answer to all our problems! :)
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