Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 18.11.2011 03:41, schrieb Tõnu Samuel: > On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 16:47 -0430, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: >> Ok, I agree with /dev/rob0 , this has gone way off topic for this list. > > I just keep reading all this discussion. Yes this is not postfix topic > but for any kind of decision I

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Tõnu Samuel
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 16:47 -0430, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > Ok, I agree with /dev/rob0 , this has gone way off topic for this list. I just keep reading all this discussion. Yes this is not postfix topic but for any kind of decision I am highly interested in reasoning, not decision. T

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Ok, I agree with /dev/rob0 , this has gone way off topic for this list. All of us are free to handle spam as we decide to do it, if Dennis wants to block @yahoo.* @gmail.com @hotmail.com , that's his decision. In my case, the amount of spam I receive from these domains is minimal (and is catch by

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis Clarke
> On 17/11/2011 14:39, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment .. >> >> tell your students to use the email address provided by the school on >> the >> school domain. Also, as a policy, I blacklist all yahoo, gmail, hotmail >> junk and li

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:19:48 +0100 Dick Visser articulated: > On 2011-11-17 16:05, Tõnu Samuel wrote: > > > What is ham and what is spam often depends also some cultural > > background. > > It does indeed. Having "Dick" as first name in a mostly > English-oriented environment doesn't work in my

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread /dev/rob0
Enough of this thread. Really. Spamcop is risky if used for outright rejection. This is not new information, and as pointed out, Spamcop themselves say so. The subject line is pure ignorance, "abusing mail systems," absurd. Reliance on email where you do not control both ends is also risky. We

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Posting to list, sorry! On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 17.11.2011 16:20, schrieb Tõnu Samuel: >> On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 15:39 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Spammers ARE blacklisted, even they are called "yahoo". Just have good ISP with good reputation. My s

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Dick Visser
On 2011-11-17 16:05, Tõnu Samuel wrote: > What is ham and what is spam often depends also some cultural background. It does indeed. Having "Dick" as first name in a mostly English-oriented environment doesn't work in my favor ;-) -- Dick Visser System & Network Engineer TERENA Secretariat Sing

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2011 16:36, schrieb Tõnu Samuel: > On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 16:30 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> if you really report 500 mails each day you should give over your >> job to someone with more qualifications because we are hosting some >> thousand mail-addresses and i could never report 50

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Tõnu Samuel
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 16:30 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > if you really report 500 mails each day you should give over your > job to someone with more qualifications because we are hosting some > thousand mail-addresses and i could never report 500 spam-mails per > day because they are not receive

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2011 16:20, schrieb Tõnu Samuel: > On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 15:39 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> Spammers ARE blacklisted, even they are called "yahoo". Just have good >>> ISP with good reputation. My servers have never been blacklisted because >>> I just keep spammers away from them in ea

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Tõnu Samuel
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 15:39 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Spammers ARE blacklisted, even they are called "yahoo". Just have good > > ISP with good reputation. My servers have never been blacklisted because > > I just keep spammers away from them in early stage. > > this is a lets say polite: "no

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
Greetings, On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Mark Goodge wrote: > On 17/11/2011 14:39, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment .. >> >> tell your students to use the email address provided by the school on the >> school domain. Also, as

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Tõnu Samuel
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 08:08 -0600, Dan The Man wrote: > > I agree completely, but I don't think a student failing a course because > he only has a yahoo/shaw etc address and got a legitimate email bounced > would agree very much :) > > I think my solution should stand, we got all the other rbl'

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Tõnu Samuel
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 15:48 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > never heard a more arrogant statement with so few knowledge! > I somewhat understand his position. What is ham and what is spam often depends also some cultural background. For example I have anything with "From: aol.com" blocked because

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Mark Goodge
On 17/11/2011 14:39, Dennis Clarke wrote: Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment .. tell your students to use the email address provided by the school on the school domain. Also, as a policy, I blacklist all yahoo, gmail, hotmail junk and life is much better at the

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Simon Brereton
On 17 November 2011 09:28, wrote: > Zitat von Dan The Man : > >> >> >> Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment to me and >> could not. Spamcop has decided to go off blacklisting all yahoo/shaw etc >> servers worldwide. > > The subject is wrong. Spamcop simply list mailserv

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2011 15:39, schrieb Dennis Clarke: >> Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment .. > > tell your students to use the email address provided by the school on the > school domain. Also, as a policy, I blacklist all yahoo, gmail, hotmail > junk and life is much better

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Dennis Clarke
> > > Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment .. tell your students to use the email address provided by the school on the school domain. Also, as a policy, I blacklist all yahoo, gmail, hotmail junk and life is much better at the office. If someone does not have a valid

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Tõnu Samuel: > On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 07:35 -0600, Dan The Man wrote: >> >> Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment to me and >> could not. Spamcop has decided to go off blacklisting all yahoo/shaw etc >> servers worldwide. >> >> Solution: >>

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread lst_hoe02
Zitat von Dan The Man : Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment to me and could not. Spamcop has decided to go off blacklisting all yahoo/shaw etc servers worldwide. The subject is wrong. Spamcop simply list mailservers sending a lot of spam and Yahoo for exampl

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 11/17/2011 8:12 AM, John Peach wrote: > On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:08:13 -0600 (CST) > Dan The Man wrote: > >> >> >> I agree completely, but I don't think a student failing a course >> because he only has a yahoo/shaw etc address and got a legitimate >> email bounced would agree very much :) >> >>

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread John Peach
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:08:13 -0600 (CST) Dan The Man wrote: > > > I agree completely, but I don't think a student failing a course > because he only has a yahoo/shaw etc address and got a legitimate > email bounced would agree very much :) > > I think my solution should stand, we got all the o

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Dan The Man
I agree completely, but I don't think a student failing a course because he only has a yahoo/shaw etc address and got a legitimate email bounced would agree very much :) I think my solution should stand, we got all the other rbl's, and spamassassin etc, there really no need to have anything

Re: spamcop abusing mail systems worldwide

2011-11-17 Thread Tõnu Samuel
On Thu, 2011-11-17 at 07:35 -0600, Dan The Man wrote: > > Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment to me and > could not. Spamcop has decided to go off blacklisting all yahoo/shaw etc > servers worldwide. > > Solution: > remove: reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net > from you