Hi!
Well, I never understood that decision but the SushiStore was once
removed from the Seaside repository.
But it might be stil lavailable here:
http://www.squeaksource.com/SeasideExamples.html have a look under Store.
It was also used by James Foster while he did his tutorials for Seaside
on
Kilon, I repeat and paraphrase from my previous mail:
In the end, you never clearly stated why you don’t like Spec. You did not
provide any more concrete information except that your taste is different. So
please, instead of saying ‘I don’t like X’ clarify exactly what it is that you
don’t like
Some restricted comments inline
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 17:15, Sebastian Heidbrink wrote:
>
> I think there is most stuff out there in Pharo that is needed to built a nice
> UI with Model interaction.
> It took me jsut a few hours to built a nice Glamour based data model browser.
> So why do I st
If Spec was what imagine the ideal GUI API to be then I would certainly
love it to death. But thats besides the point , I have already explained
what I dont like about Spec in another thread as you already mentioned. You
cannot debate personal taste, sure you can clear misconceptions but in then
en
In any case, my slides are pretty useless without me giving the complete song
and dance routine as well ;-) Best to see them together with the video ...
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 17:59, Marcus Denker wrote:
>
>
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>>
>> BTW, Johan, I cannot
Kilon, your second paragraph can be understood as a description of Spec. There
is a low level code and an extensions API, and ALL widgets are implemented as
such extensions and you can assemble a GUI framework. What you propose as your
ideal solution is reimplementing this wheel all over again.
> - Mensaje original -
> > De: "Sven Van Caekenberghe"
> > Para: nicolaih...@web.de, "Any question about pharo is welcome" <
> pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>
> > Enviados: Jueves, 12 de Febrero 2015 3:29:42
> > Asunto: Re: [Pharo-users]
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:53, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>
> BTW, Johan, I cannot find your slides in
> http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/presentations ?
>
I have the .key files.. I will double check and upload the missings…
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 13:45, Johan Fabry wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
BTW, Johan, I cannot find your slides in
http://www.slideshare.net/pharoproject/presentations ?
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 13:45, Johan Fabry wrote:
>
>
>> On Feb 12, 2015, at 07:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess wrote:
>>>
>>> But much howtos or
is welcome"
>
> Enviados: Jueves, 12 de Febrero 2015 3:29:42
> Asunto: Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again
>
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess wrote:
>>
>> But much howtos or tutorials widely scattered and aren't up to date.
>
> Johan Fabry's talk at the Pharo Days was an excellent introduction to Spec,
> watch it.
>
Hi Stephan, Hi All,
Joachim and I come from the same, commercial world, and we are not used
to initial problems regarding the UI we are used to huge limitations
once your models become more and more complex and custom vizualisations
are desired.
On first sight the videos and examples are tem
where can i watch it?
Pablo
- Mensaje original -
De: "Sven Van Caekenberghe"
Para: nicolaih...@web.de, "Any question about pharo is welcome"
Enviados: Jueves, 12 de Febrero 2015 3:29:42
Asunto: Re: [Pharo-users] pharo and ui again
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:
Thanx Nacho, fixed in .4
Stephan
Hi Stephan,
I've tried to run your package in both Pharo 3 and 4 but there are some
missing classes. Do I need to install some dependencies before?
Thanks
Nacho
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Stephan Eg
Sebastian wrote:
>After 5 days I can tell ,that I am lost in Morphic, UIManager,
>Traits/No-Traits, Spec, GLMMorphic, Poly
>And sometimes things are even mixed up and I am not able to decide which
>approach to follow,...
If your goal is a "Maya Editor"-like UI, I've put together something th
Frankly big libraries dont make much sense for me when it comes to Pharo.
Sure if we were talking about Python I would say yes. I do believe however
that Pharo makes it already very easy to combine libraries together.
So for me the ideal solution would be a very low level core that comes with
very
Dont we all have problems we try to find solutions for ? I find nothing
wrong with that. You may think I try to insult you, I can assure you I am
not that kind of person and I respect your opinion.
I am curious are you going to be one of those 4 developers that will make
contributions to Spec ? Or
2015-02-12 14:35 GMT+01:00 kilon alios :
> And there lies your problem. You dont agree with me and I dont agree with
> you and the next guy wont agree with either of us.
>
But you both agree on: "Pharo needs a GUI framework" , no?
>
> But there are many people out there that love Spec and Bloc
Kilon, it’s not nice of you to say that I have a problem. I have an opinion,
not a problem.
And I’m saying that we have 4 developers at most, not 10.
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 14:35, kilon alios wrote:
>
> And there lies your problem. You dont agree with me and I dont agree with you
> and the ne
And there lies your problem. You dont agree with me and I dont agree with
you and the next guy wont agree with either of us.
So how exactly are you going to convince 10 people to work on the GUI API
of your choosing ? Are you going to pull out the argument that all theses
APIs are doing more less
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:12, kilon alios wrote:
>
> All of the above frameworks have tons of users so one thing that this shows
> us is that fragmentation is really beneficial to a community. The reason is
> simple,
>
> GUI is so complex subject but there will never be one ring to rule them a
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 07:29, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>
>
>> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess wrote:
>>
>> But much howtos or tutorials widely scattered and aren't up to date.
>
> Johan Fabry's talk at the Pharo Days was an excellent introduction to Spec,
> watch it.
Well, thank
Hi Sebastian,
I’m on holiday, so I will be brief with my replies, I hope you understand ;-)
Spec is the official way to go for building UIs in Pharo:
- With Spec you can write your example in 30 minutes, it just needs 1 class
with 4 instvars and 3 short methods.
- Most advanced documentation is
Hi Joachim,
I agree with your disagreement.
Lack of developer support is really a problem.
Just get me right: nobody is to blame. We are still a small community,
although a growing one.
For me one of the biggest lack is documentation (although the huge
efforts done by several people).
Polymorph f
One note on the GUI situation of Pharo.
The situation of Pharo is pretty much the same situation for most
programming languages. I am coming from python and the situation is pretty
much the same but scaled up to the size of the python community which is
huge. So instead like pharo of having 6 or 7
Let me try to be clearer
Your observation may be right for some Applications, where there is some heavy
lifting in computation and logic. So it is unfair to say you are wrong. There
are, however, many areas where its all about searching some data, modifying and
saving it. Think crm, erp, ac
Hilaire.
I completely disagree. The 2 areas you spend most of your time (and often waste
it ) in my experience with business applications are
a) The gui
b) persistency
The tool support for both is pretty poor and both areas have been reinvented
over and over again. Most of the reinventions wer
Le 11/02/2015 23:28, Sebastian Heidbrink a écrit :
> I honestly try to bring Pharo/Smalltalk to the crowd, but somhow I
> feel like the UI development removes all the productivity that one
> usually has with Smalltalk.
You are pretty right. For a small UI project, the UI development can be
high.
F
> On 12 Feb 2015, at 00:46, Nicolai Hess wrote:
>
> But much howtos or tutorials widely scattered and aren't up to date.
Johan Fabry's talk at the Pharo Days was an excellent introduction to Spec,
watch it.
2015-02-11 23:28 GMT+01:00 Sebastian Heidbrink :
>
> Hi again!
>
> Well, we had an other Software Smalltalk Night and we want to try to make
> a Smalltalk Kinect Fun project.
> It was pretty easy to conenct the Kinect camera with a Squeak For Scratch
> image.
> That enabled everybody to easily get
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