Kilon, it’s not nice of you to say that I have a problem. I have an opinion, not a problem.
And I’m saying that we have 4 developers at most, not 10. > On Feb 12, 2015, at 14:35, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > And there lies your problem. You dont agree with me and I dont agree with you > and the next guy wont agree with either of us. > > So how exactly are you going to convince 10 people to work on the GUI API of > your choosing ? Are you going to pull out the argument that all theses APIs > are doing more less the same thing ? Good luck convincing them. I will > certainly not be one of them when the center of my philosophy is "the devil > is in the details". > > All pharo developers may end up focusing on Spec for example will be enough > reason for me to consider abandoning Pharo because I don't like Spec. Most > likely I wont because I will find a way not to have to use it but you get my > point. > > Coding is not there just to satisfy practical needs (because otherwise I > would not even being using Pharo) its even more about personal taste , this > is why we have tons of programming languages and even more libraries. Also > the bigger the library it is the slower it moves because of backward > compatibility and having to make happy a big user base. You want to add a new > feature ? Sure can do . You dont like the general design ? Oops sorry you are > out of luck. > > Personally I like Morphic, I heavily dislike Spec and the verdict is open for > Bloc. I will have to use Bloc on a project to make up my mind but so far I > have been told that Bloc is a work in progress in early stages. So for me the > situation is crystal clear Morphic all the way and if I find something I > don't like, subclass and improve. > > But there are many people out there that love Spec and Bloc may be proven an > excellent replacement for Morphic who knows , we definitely wont know if > everyone start focusing on Spec alone. And I am glad they dont. But in any > case I would not want to force my opinion on other people and instead I > recognize that people want different things. > > So I definitely approve of many options and I also approve that pharo core > developers try to make Pharo more modular to make it easier to mix different > libraries together , I think that will be so awesome. > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Johan Fabry <jfa...@dcc.uchile.cl > <mailto:jfa...@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote: > >> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:12, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com >> <mailto:kilon.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> All of the above frameworks have tons of users so one thing that this shows >> us is that fragmentation is really beneficial to a community. The reason is >> simple, >> >> GUI is so complex subject but there will never be one ring to rule them all. >> Many have tried, all of them have failed. > > > I don’t agree. If we would have more than 10 developers working on GUI > frameworks in Pharo this may be the case. But we don’t have this number. If > we are very lucky we may have 4. > > I would rather have 4 persons pulling a large cart in the same direction, > instead of 4 of them pulling their own cart (1/4th the size) in more-or-less > the same direction (if at all) as the other guys. In the first case a lot > more progress will be made. If there is something wrong with the cart, fix > it! Do not waste all this time building your own. > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <http://emailcharter.org/> > <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry <http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry> > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
