Some restricted comments inline > On Feb 12, 2015, at 17:15, Sebastian Heidbrink <shei...@yahoo.de> wrote: > > I think there is most stuff out there in Pharo that is needed to built a nice > UI with Model interaction. > It took me jsut a few hours to built a nice Glamour based data model browser. > So why do I struggle to built a login view?! > I think this is because Glamour is its own example.... It is implemented in > one way and there are few distractions.
Glamour is excellent! But only as long as you want to do something that fits the overall philosophy of it. That’s the advantages and the disadvantages of a domain-specific solution. Spec is a general-purpose solution. Your login UI should be able to be built in Spec in less than 20 minutes. (Supposing it is more or less like a traditional login UI). > What Pharo needs and I do not think that this is a too huge task is. > A clear destiction of M, V and C accomplished by ClassNamingConvertions and > package sub-division of these. > A browser that just lists all the available basic morphs and their examples Browse the hierarchy of ComposableModel and you have all the Spec widgets and UIs that are in the image. > A sushi store demo according to the current Pharo release. I don’t know this example, can you give a link to an example app? > A clear documentation what, Spec, Polymorph, Morphic,... are representing and > on which "layer" they are positioned. OS-Layer, Common-Layer, Layout-Layer, > Event-Layer. Have a look at the Spec book chapter (in progress). It also relates the position of Spec with respect to Morphic https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/PharoBookWorkInProgress/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/Spec/ […] > So and now her eis the question that I think needs to be discussed since it > is the most controversial answered to me. > "Spec or not to Spec?" > > I am kidding! > But my current counter is 5 for Spec and 5 against Spec. > I think some rason could be that Spec is misunderstood, or still under > development/inmature. > I can't tell, but a beginner wants to know: > "WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO!?" To answer your BIG QUESTION ;-) Read the book chapter that I linked to above, or at least the first few sections, and try to build the login UI with Spec. Then you will have better information that can serve to make a choice for or against your use of Spec. ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile
