Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

"I'm probably not contributing anything of value to this conversation... :-) IMHO, most people who settle on Smalltalk aren't "not experienced with other language". Pierce" No idea where you have drawn that conclusion maybe it was true in the past or outside Pharo but Pharo is mostly used for web

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 01:25:25PM +, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > For those not experienced with other language I'm probably not contributing anything of value to this conversation... :-) IMHO, most people who settle on Smalltalk aren't "not experienced with other language". Pierce

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

>From my perspective it depends on your previous programming experiences. After programming C++ for a few years, I immediately saw the huge potential of Smalltalk (Squeak at this time) with image, live programming, etc even if at that same time I did not understand at all any details. Free software

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

Dimitris, As Guile explained it, it is a matter of responsibility to include a package in the Pharo image. The more packages in the base Pharo image the more complicated is the release process for the Pharo team, and more stress, etc. Nevertheless, a complement Pharo release with additional pack

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

Depends how many hours per week you spend and how deep you want to go in it. I spent around 3 hours per week , thats 150 hours per year , 750 in 5 years. For someone working 40 hours a week on pharo it would have taken him only 5 months to reach my level. Also in my case there were not that many l

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

This 5 years time span looks like accurate in what it takes to become somewhat proficient with Pharo. I am curious to know how long one required to grok it. Because there is a world between the "syntax on a postcard" narrative and the "dig in the bowels of the beast" narrative. Anyone? Phil On

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

On 28 October 2016 at 14:12, Guille Polito wrote: > What is wrong in executing a simple Metacello command to load it? What's wrong is, it's not convenient / easy / publicized enough. There isn't a nice user story about dependency management and package loading, even though technically everythin

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

If you talking about me, no it does not work like that. Complaining is easy indeed but what is easier for me is just using Python libraries from Pharo , this way I don't wait for you to implements features I need and you don't have to endure my complaining. Win - win situation. Soon I will also b

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

+1 One step at a time. When we are close to this we can extensively argue what should be the distribution that ships. Complaining is always easy. If we make the image containing a lot of stuff and maintaining that will postpone releases it will be different complaints Norbert > Am 28.10.2016

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

This is also part of the vision document. Now first SubOSProcess should work on windows. Then Guillermo is RIGHT. We will continue to work on - creating a pharo minimal image - producing configurations - creating one image with default loaded configurations. You see the two obje

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

Yes, me too. OSProcess/SubProcess should be included in the default image. 2016-10-28 10:29 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe : > For what it is worth, I am with Dimitris on this: sub shell execution is > so fundamental that it should be a standard part of the image. I always > thought that that

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

For what it is worth, I am with Dimitris on this: sub shell execution is so fundamental that it should be a standard part of the image. I always thought that that was the goal of the new OSSubProcess. > On 28 Oct 2016, at 15:25, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > For those not experienced with other

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

For those not experienced with other language let me offer here an explanation why having something like OSProcess is vastly important. Coding even before the time of Smalltalk has been tied to the command line, even in this day all languages come with the ability of the command line to use them a

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

Original Message 2016-10-28 14:12 GMT+02:00 Guille Polito >: But the functionality is there, it's just that it is not loaded by default. Loading it by default implies wedding Pharo's life cycle with OS(Sub)Process' o

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

2016-10-28 14:12 GMT+02:00 Guille Polito : > But the functionality is there, it's just that it is not loaded by default. > > Loading it by default implies wedding Pharo's life cycle with > OS(Sub)Process' one, and having to maintain the possibility of dependencies > to OS(Sub)Process spreading in

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

But the functionality is there, it's just that it is not loaded by default. Loading it by default implies wedding Pharo's life cycle with OS(Sub)Process' one, and having to maintain the possibility of dependencies to OS(Sub)Process spreading in the entire environment. What is wrong in executi

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

I have a love and hate relationship with Pharo this one I will put in the hate category You expect people to use pharo when you do not offer functionality they come to expect from the language they already use and not even offer an altervative, say a library with similar command line functionality

Re: [Pharo-users] OSProcess missing from Pharo 6 image

> Am 28.10.2016 um 13:17 schrieb Dimitris Chloupis : > > I just noticed that OSProcess misses from Pharo 6 image, it was supposed to > be replaced by OSSubProcess but this not in the image either ? What we > suppose to use to execute bash from inside pharo ? It was never in the image. You nee