[opensource-dev] Fwd: Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

-- Forwarded message -- From: Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) Date: Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520 To: Soft Linden On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Soft Linden wrote: > A totally healthy o

Re: [opensource-dev] Nurturing an open source community; was: Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

I believe that Linden Lab is quite clear that it wants an open source community. I also believe that, unfortunately, it does not quite realize that when the Lab and the community become partners in an open source project, that there are strings attached. Morgaine. =

[opensource-dev] Updated llqtwebkit instruction and code

Hi, As mentioned during the Hippo meeting, we've been working to improve the llqtwebkit project support with an updated hg repo and better build instructions. The folks at Linden have been completing this work today and the updated wiki is now available: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LLQtWeb

[opensource-dev] Keyboard handling code

Hi, While trying to fix http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2232 I've found that the whole keyboard handling code is totally borked. It has been designed with a QUERTY keyboard layout in mind, and there's no simple way to separate _symbolic_ shortcuts from _positional_ shortcuts. I've wrote

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments aboutllSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

I think that would be neat to make WL settings an inventory item that you could share with others -Original Message- From: opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com [mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of Kitty Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:11 AM To: 'Lear Cal

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Latif Khalifa wrote: > What would be particularly beneficial for LL > if there was some sort of mechanism for merging SG patches back to the > main viewer trunk. That way you get the benefits of excellent work OS > devs have put into fixing bugs in SG. Plus you enc

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Mar 12, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Latif Khalifa wrote: > I'm hoping that we get robla's replacement soon, who could facilitate > such two-way and mutually beneficial flow of fixes and new features. I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately we just lost a great candidate that I was hopeful we would close. I

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Soft Linden wrote: > Some things will happen in the dark, but the current plan is *not* to > do another monolithic Viewer 2 quiet cycle. We want to get > intermittent code dropping regularly again - expect to hear more on > that soon. Once that's covered, I know s

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Soft Linden schrieb: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Carlo Wood wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:47:57AM -0800, Soft Linden wrote: > >> With larger features like mesh coming along, know that you'll be > >> signing up for an awfully large chunk of porting work though. > > > > Last time I a

Re: [opensource-dev] "Bookmark" other residents

> This sounds suspiciously like calling cards. Maybe we should allow to > create them by > other > ways than only by giving your > own to someone? > > While I agree that this

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Boroondas Gupte schrieb: > On 03/12/2010 07:37 PM, Carlo Wood wrote: > > Is there anything added to 2.0 code that actually is an > > improvement over snowglobe 1.3 ? > > X11-like copy-paste (by selecting and middle mouse button) but it's partially broken in viewer0.2. Also 90% of the code is alrea

Re: [opensource-dev] Nurturing an open source community; was: Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

Soft, It is not clear whether Linden Lab wants an open source community. The impression from this side is that Linden wants help fixing bugs, but not fixing features, but if that requires importing a feature or two, then it's worth the trouble. It is also quite clear that Linden does not want

Re: [opensource-dev] "Bookmark" other residents

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Boroondas Gupte wrote: > On 03/12/2010 07:49 PM, Martin Spernau wrote: > > A bit like a LM really, only for a profile > > This sounds suspiciously like calling cards. Maybe we should allow to create > them by other ways than only by giving your own to someone? > >

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Opensource Obscure wrote: > > Is Runitai actually holding office hours? It seems not: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_hours > I'd like to participate. May some Linden please ping Runitai? I thought he was. I know that page is often out of date, so I'll f

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Martin Spernau wrote: > My feeling is that it would make the most sense to add a 'old style > UI' as option to Snowglobe 2, along with the ability to turn off all > unwanted new features (media on prim etc) > -Martin > I agree with this. 2.0 DOES have some useful functions, and not just new

Re: [opensource-dev] "Bookmark" other residents

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Boroondas Gupte wrote: > On 03/12/2010 07:49 PM, Martin Spernau wrote: > > A bit like a LM really, only for a profile > > This sounds suspiciously like calling cards. Maybe we should allow to create > them by other ways than only by giving your own to someone? > >

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:18:15 -0500, Lear Cale wrote: > I agree. WL settings are about the appearance of the environment, not > the GUI per se. > And Carlo has a great suggestion that WL settings should be supported > as inventory items, similar to LMs. (Going to make a JIRA for that, > Carlo?)

[opensource-dev] "Bookmark" other residents

On 03/12/2010 07:49 PM, Martin Spernau wrote: > A bit like a LM really, only for a profile This sounds suspiciously like calling cards. Maybe we should allow to create them by other ways

Re: [opensource-dev] Building Snowglobe 2.0

>> I had to reinstall XCode to get the 10.4 OS files but that and >> changing the >> gcc to use 4.0 has solved my problem. Snowglobe built fine and is >> running. >> Now I have a mountain of code to discover. YAY Jeff Actually I can very well build without the 10.4 SDK, I just need to make

Re: [opensource-dev] Building Snowglobe 2.0

Awesome. Thanks for updating docs! On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Jeff Eastman wrote: > Thanks Soft (and thanks also to Martin), > > I had to reinstall XCode to get the 10.4 OS files but that and changing the > gcc to use 4.0 has solved my problem. Snowglobe built fine and is running. > Now I

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way f orward?

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:40:52 -0800, Soft Linden wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Carlo Wood wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:47:57AM -0800, Soft Linden wrote: >>> With larger features like mesh coming along, know that you'll be >>> signing up for an awfully large chunk of porting w

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Check out the LSL preprocessor in Emerald Viewer http://www.modularsystems.sl/wiki/wikka.php?wakka=lslPreprocessor On 3/12/2010 3:40 PM, Jonathan Irvin wrote: Keep in mind, this is still in beta. If you have an issue in the main viewer, use snowglobe. If you have an issue with snowglobe, code

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Soft Linden wrote: > Ha - I'm not the only one who does this? I'm forever leaving profiles > open and minimized when checking out places in resis' picks. Half the > time I find an interesting object during a visit, want to check out > the creator's picks, and end up adding another window or two bef

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Keep in mind, this is still in beta. If you have an issue in the main viewer, use snowglobe. If you have an issue with snowglobe, code it yourself. If you can't code it yourself, then there's no need to blame Linden Labs for it. Being in SL for 5 years has enlightened me to the fact that some p

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On 03/12/2010 07:37 PM, Carlo Wood wrote: > Is there anything added to 2.0 code that actually is an > improvement over snowglobe 1.3 ? > X11-like copy-paste (by selecting and middle mouse button) :-) ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way f orward?

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:48:58 -0800, Brent Tubbs wrote: >> >> I do this *all the time* too, but half the time once I get around to > checking out the profiles I've minimized, I realized that I closed them all > in a frenzy of cleaning up my screen. It makes me want to try to implement > some kin

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On 2010-03-12, at 11:57, Morgaine wrote: > The answer to all of these UI issues is simply client-side scripting. That's AN answer. It's not the RIGHT answer (at least not to THIS question, it's the right answer to a bunch of other questions, just not this one), but it's certainly AN answer. _

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On 2010-03-12, at 11:48, Matt White wrote: > While we're discussing the profile window - as someone that roleplays > extensively in SL, having my real life window right next to my SL > profile is a total buzzkill. I *WANT* my SL and RL life to be > separate. I'm not quite sure why there's been such

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Am Freitag 12 März 2010 schrieb Carlo Wood: > Is there anything added to 2.0 code that actually is an > improvement over snowglobe 1.3 ? tattoo layers and alpha layers, IMHO. and that's already being backported :P ___ Policies and (un)subscribe informat

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Morgaine wrote: > > I believe that the > company has business motives for doing what it is doing in secret, and that > it is willing to sacrifice open source principles and community involvement > to achieve those business goals.  That's all. We are willing to ma

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:18:15AM -0500, Lear Cale wrote: > I agree. WL settings are about the appearance of the environment, not > the GUI per se. > And Carlo has a great suggestion that WL settings should be supported > as inventory items, similar to LMs. (Going to make a JIRA for that, > Carl

[opensource-dev] llDialog and Viewer 2

In Viewer 2, llDialog and permission alerts etc are 'hidden' behind the Notifications... you don't instantly see them, only if you check your Notifications. In some case that might be 'nice' (Dialog Spam etc) But when the user clicks on an Object that responds with a Menu of choices... they

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Am 12.03.2010 um 18:48 schrieb Brent Tubbs: > Ha - I'm not the only one who does this? I'm forever leaving profiles > open and minimized when checking out places in resis' picks. Half the > time I find an interesting object during a visit, want to check out > the creator's picks, and end up adding

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

Soft, you misread what was written. I carefully worded the sentence containing the word "sociopath" to exclude Lindens --- please note my words "*Outside of Lindens and their business interests*". The word "sociopath" was aimed specifically at the botnet operators and criminal organizations who e

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Carlo Wood wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:47:57AM -0800, Soft Linden wrote: >> With larger features like mesh coming along, know that you'll be >> signing up for an awfully large chunk of porting work though. > > Last time I asked there was nothing being done

[opensource-dev] Reminder of posting etiquette

Hi all, I'd like to remind everyone on the list about the opensource-dev posting policies: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev In particular, while constructive criticism is welcome, general complaints which only serve to discourage use of Second Life or discourage cooperation with

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Why "fix" this? What is the urge in using it at ALL? Imho, ignoring it so much better. How care that it exists, and is broken? Just don't use it! Sorry, I really don't get why anyone here is trying to get to compile it, trying to fix it, trying to run it, trying to use it. Is there anything added

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 08:47:57AM -0800, Soft Linden wrote: > With larger features like mesh coming along, know that you'll be > signing up for an awfully large chunk of porting work though. Last time I asked there was nothing being done about mesh. There were no plans and certainly no code! Are

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Am 12.03.2010 um 18:48 schrieb Matt White: > While we're discussing the profile window - as someone that roleplays > extensively in SL, having my real life window right next to my SL > profile is a total buzzkill. I *WANT* my SL and RL life to be > separate. I'm not quite sure why there's been such

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Morgaine wrote: > > Virtually nobody other than Lindens are "hellbent on binary plugins", and > Lindens are doing so in secret in order not to have to justify themselves to > the community. I don't know the details of this work. I do know that ascribing these kind

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

The answer to all of these UI issues is simply client-side scripting. Quite literally anything and everything would be possible through user-controlled extensions, far beyond the very low-powered UI features in Viewer2.0. Both novices and experts would have been catered for, as well as everyone i

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

' I'm not quite sure why there's been such a focus on united RL and SL identities...' could if be that business applications require real names as identities? I agree people should have the choice to call themselves whatever they choose. And the interface should not be cluttered with both pseudonym

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

> > > Ha - I'm not the only one who does this? I'm forever leaving profiles > open and minimized when checking out places in resis' picks. Half the > time I find an interesting object during a visit, want to check out > the creator's picks, and end up adding another window or two before > I've exha

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Soft Linden wrote: > Ha - I'm not the only one who does this? I'm forever leaving profiles > open and minimized when checking out places in resis' picks. Half the > time I find an interesting object during a visit, want to check out > the creator's picks, and end

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

just a simple thing, I guess, I now find transferring content to another avatar in the friends list not so intuitive, involves extra steps and my discoverability sense did not work in this case. Also something on the side because this made me lose hours coding yesterday, changing the UI size impact

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Matt White wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Argent Stonecutter > wrote: > >> * chat bar focus >> * chat bar size >> * simple chat overlay (single background element, no badges, etc) >> * Location *on title bar* so you can get rid of the browser-style bar

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Argent Stonecutter wrote: (Sorry Argent, didn't mean to reply directly to you... resending this to the whole list.) > * chat bar focus > * chat bar size > * simple chat overlay (single background element, no badges, etc) > * Location *on title bar* so you can ge

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Rob Nelson wrote: > Sigh. > > I've tackled this in my viewer with a plugin, and yet no one seems > interested in the plugin system I'm using; Everyone's hellbent on > binary plugins. > That is so totally not the case, Rob. Virtually nobody other than Lindens ar

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. Though personally I think the sidebar could work if it was actually multiple smaller side bars that didn't change the aspect ratio every time you opened vs one big one that changes everything. After all I don't need access to my profile and other control

Re: [opensource-dev] Building Snowglobe 2.0

Jeff, I've more or less sucessfully built snowglobe 2 on Leopard 10.5 recently, but haven't tried the current latest SVN One thing I always need to set right after develop.py in XCode is the 'Active SDK' from 10.4 to the only one I have installed, which is 10.5 Also, it seems that it only rea

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On 2010-03-12, at 10:59, Soft Linden wrote: > Porting the desired parts of the old UI forward to 2.x would be a lot > easier than porting ongoing 2.x features backward to 1.3. I wouldn't > be surprised if you found there were just a couple dialogs you really > wanted back. Bring the old communicate

Re: [opensource-dev] Building Snowglobe 2.0

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Jeff Eastman wrote: > I'm new to this project and have been trying to build Snowglobe 2.0 on > my Snow Leopard Mac. The download process went fairly smoothly until I > got to actually running the XCode build. At that point I found many, > many incorrect OS version

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Martin Spernau wrote: > Am 12.03.2010 um 17:47 schrieb Soft Linden: >> With larger features like mesh coming along, know that you'll be >> signing up for an awfully large chunk of porting work though. > > Which is why my feeling is that it makes more sense to add

[opensource-dev] Building Snowglobe 2.0

I'm new to this project and have been trying to build Snowglobe 2.0 on my Snow Leopard Mac. The download process went fairly smoothly until I got to actually running the XCode build. At that point I found many, many incorrect OS version dependencies (to OSX 10.4) that I had to fix one artifact

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Am 12.03.2010 um 17:47 schrieb Soft Linden: > With larger features like mesh coming along, know that you'll be > signing up for an awfully large chunk of porting work though. Which is why my feeling is that it makes more sense to add tjhe old UI to the new viewer. __

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Porting the desired parts of the old UI forward to 2.x would be a lot easier than porting ongoing 2.x features backward to 1.3. I wouldn't be surprised if you found there were just a couple dialogs you really wanted back. Bring the old communicate window back and embed the sidebar items in stand-al

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Argent Stonecutter wrote: > On 2010-03-12, at 07:45, Aleric Inglewood wrote: >> I'm even disappointed by the sheep that instantly started to reappy >> all ignored 1.x patches and are working their ass off to get 2.0 to >> compile and run... What is the use? Are you

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

My feeling is that it would make the most sense to add a 'old style UI' as option to Snowglobe 2, along with the ability to turn off all unwanted new features (media on prim etc) -Martin Am 12.03.2010 um 15:23 schrieb Argent Stonecutter: > On 2010-03-12, at 07:45, Aleric Inglewood wrote: >> I

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

Argent Stonecutter wrote: > > So you think the way forward to Snowglobe should be to ignore 2.x and > see about backporting the 2.x functional improvements to 1.3.x? > > What would Linden Lab do if people actually started doing that? > I remember several instances when people asked what Viewer

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

Am 12.03.2010 um 17:30 schrieb Argent Stonecutter: >> If the viewer 2 would disable media on a prim by default... ut's >> highly likely that a ton of users would never learn about it. As >> such I guess 'default on' is the way to go - if you want the feature >> to be known that is ^^ > > It could

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On 2010-03-12, at 10:12, Martin Spernau wrote: > Well if you are a new user (first login etc) you get the "This > oarcel can.. Do you want to auto play media by default' Dialog. At > leastit ask you once ^^ - if you at that point understand what it's > asking, you do have the choice to disabl

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On 2010-03-12, at 09:58, Dickson, Mike (ISS Software) wrote: > That's not what it does. > > Streaming media (and media on a prim) is enabled on by default as > opposed to the old viewer where it was off and needed to be > explicitly enabled. There are pros and cons to either approach of > co

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

Am 12.03.2010 um 16:58 schrieb Dickson, Mike (ISS Software): > the old viewer where it was off and needed to be explicitly enabled. Well if you are a new user (first login etc) you get the "This oarcel can.. Do you want to auto play media by default' Dialog. At leastit ask you once ^^ - if y

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments aboutllSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

> And Carlo has a great suggestion that WL settings should be > supported as inventory items, similar to LMs. (Going to make > a JIRA for that, Carlo?) That was supposed to be the idea all along: "SHAREABLE settings! Since SL is a social world, we think you'll agree it'd be great - and time-sa

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On 2010-03-12, at 09:43, Martin Spernau wrote: > I guess it would make sense to handle this similar to the daytime > overrides in the World>Environbment menu. I can set the time to say > 'Midnight' and I can also 'Revert to Region Default' So long as it's a SEPARATE override! I don't mind letting

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

That's not what it does. Streaming media (and media on a prim) is enabled on by default as opposed to the old viewer where it was off and needed to be explicitly enabled. There are pros and cons to either approach of course. And it is a beta. This is an area I'm sure LL would appreciate some f

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

I guess it would make sense to handle this similar to the daytime overrides in the World>Environbment menu. I can set the time to say 'Midnight' and I can also 'Revert to Region Default' -Martin Am 12.03.2010 um 16:33 schrieb Lear Cale: > I think we're arguing over something that's a side eff

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

> On 2010-03-12, at 08:56, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) wrote: >> Actually *loading* the music URL *IS* an opt in, thank goodness, in >> the current production viewer (and the current beta viewer behavior >> of >> automatically willy-nilly loading of URLs is a *huge* security issue) It's an

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

> And Carlo has a great suggestion that WL settings should be supported > as inventory items, similar to LMs. (Going to make a JIRA for that, > Carlo?) > Yea this is a nice idea but not really new... If I remember rightly LL announced this as a soon future of windlight in one of the first Wi

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

Oops, clarification. The script would think it got permission in the case where it's automatically granted, but denied by the GUI popup. In the case where permission isn't automatic, the user gets the popup and the script gets permissions only if the answer is affirmative. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

I think we're arguing over something that's a side effect of an implementation decision, not a fundamental issue of personal liberty. Windlight happens to be client side rather than server-side, even though it's more about the environment -- the created world -- than it is about personal control of

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On 2010-03-12, at 08:56, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) wrote: > Actually *loading* the music URL *IS* an opt in, thank goodness, in > the current production viewer (and the current beta viewer behavior of > automatically willy-nilly loading of URLs is a *huge* security issue) It *what*? Um, ye

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

I agree. WL settings are about the appearance of the environment, not the GUI per se. And Carlo has a great suggestion that WL settings should be supported as inventory items, similar to LMs. (Going to make a JIRA for that, Carlo?) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Carlo Wood wrote: > On Wed, Ma

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Carlo Wood wrote: > I suppose that some people do NOT want a shared experience > and to live in their own little isolated world. Well, can't > deny them power over their own viewer, Good, thank you. Because there are people who don't seem to believe in that; that

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

On 2010-03-12, at 07:45, Aleric Inglewood wrote: > I'm even disappointed by the sheep that instantly started to reappy > all ignored 1.x patches and are working their ass off to get 2.0 to > compile and run... What is the use? Are you going to use it yourself? So you think the way forward to Snowg

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 01:05:38PM -0500, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) wrote: > I can just imagine a new use for all those tiny little ex-adfarm > parcels along mainland roads: noob traps that force a blinding > Windlight set on the unwary. You're being a child with all this :/. Why aren't y

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:57:50AM -0800, Kelly Linden wrote: > The very sky around you should be part of the content, part of the > place. I can't get over how awesome I think that would be. > >  - Kelly This is the first time I actually hope that LL is going to do what they want...

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 06:40:23PM +0100, Latif Khalifa wrote: > I'm talking about implementation of > http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7677 not the LSL script setting > environment. Yes, the region setting would be shown by default, > because otherwise it wouldn't make any sense. Asking for p

Re: [opensource-dev] New topic: Snowglobe 2.0 way forward?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Tigro Spottystripes < tigrospottystri...@gmail.com> wrote: > The new interface breaks immersion, it places the world as just another > small area of the screen with a bunch of other things outside of it. > I reject the new interface. I refuse to download it. I r

Re: [opensource-dev] New topic: Snowglobe 2.0 way forward?

Who is going to reject a contribution to snowglobe? Ok... some can write a technically perfect patch, but with an impact that nobody wants, that's a fact (think about 2.0). So there has to be line: at some point it has to be decided if a patch should be accepted; but how does that work? On Wed, Ma

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for comments about llSetAgentEnvironment / SVC-5520

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:42:27AM -0800, Kelly Linden wrote: > I admit I only briefly skimmed the jira.  I was mostly reacting to the panic I > saw here.  I don't think it needs a permission request in the case of parcel >  owners, but that is just my personal opinion. I do believe the environment