Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-16 Thread Dick Hardt
3) I have read the IPR and I believe I could deploy this specification. NOTE: I am not a legal expert, but I do have extensive experience with identity related patents and after reviewing the claims, I do not believe that the OAuth 2.0 or OAuth bearer specifications infringe on patent 7272639.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-16 Thread Eliot Lear
> EH >>> >>>> -Original Message----- >>>> From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15 PM >>>> To: Eran Hammer >>>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG >>>> Subject: Re: [OAUT

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread William Mills
against for several reasons.  We would not use this in our own implementations. -bill > > From: Sam Hartman >To: Michael Thomas >Cc: "oauth@ietf.org WG" >Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:45 PM >Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on O

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Sam Hartman
So, here are statements that you could make as part of this discussion that would be entirely in scope: 1) I've read the IPR. Prior to this disclosure I was interested in developing|deploying|shipping an implementation of this specification. Now I am not. 2) I think you could go so far as to sa

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
On 05/09/2012 09:31 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: >> > > That's not what I read Eran as asking for: > > "So no discussion of this is expected on the list - correct?" Eran is right about the kinds of discussion I mentioned as not being for the WG. This is all business as usual, the rules are in RF

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Michael Thomas
On 05/09/2012 01:26 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi Mike, On 05/09/2012 08:34 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: On 05/09/2012 12:17 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: Whoever you talk to for legal advice about IPR issues related to standards you might implement. My only point is, this group is not qualified to comm

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
>> From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15 PM >>> To: Eran Hammer >>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG >>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer >>> >>> On 05/09/2012 12:06 PM, Eran

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Eran Hammer
y, May 09, 2012 12:34 PM > To: Eran Hammer > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer > > On 05/09/2012 12:17 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: > > Whoever you talk to for legal advice about IPR issues related to standards > you might implem

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Stephen Farrell
nce is taken to mean "not" in this case. S > > Mike > >> >> EH >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15 PM >>> To: Eran Hammer >>> Cc

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Michael Thomas
c.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15 PM To: Eran Hammer Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer On 05/09/2012 12:06 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: So no discussion of this is expected on the list - correct? That's what I wanted to clarify. You asked

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Eran Hammer
Thanks. This is the clarification I was seeking. EH > -Original Message- > From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:17 PM > To: Eran Hammer > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] I

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Eran Hammer
5 PM > To: Eran Hammer > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer > > On 05/09/2012 12:06 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: > > So no discussion of this is expected on the list - correct? That's what I > wanted to clarify. You asked

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
gt; To: Eran Hammer >> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG >> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer >> >> Hi Eran, >> >> if you care about the specification (and want to use it in your products) >> then >> you may want to reach out to

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Michael Thomas
Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer Hi Eran, if you care about the specification (and want to use it in your products) then you may want to reach out to your IPR folks and ask for their judgement. They may be able to tell you whether they find the cited IPR a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Eran Hammer
PR team is the right step. EH > -Original Message- > From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:37 AM > To: Eran Hammer > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer > > Hi Er

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Eran, if you care about the specification (and want to use it in your products) then you may want to reach out to your IPR folks and ask for their judgement. They may be able to tell you whether they find the cited IPR applicable and whether they had experience with the IPR holder already.

Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

2012-05-09 Thread Eran Hammer
What exactly is the expected WG discussion on this? I hope people here are not expected to read the patent and make legal decisions about the patent's validity or even applicability as these are questions for lawyers, not engineers. EH > -Original Message- > From: oauth-boun...@ietf.or