Stephen, Hannes, Given the intent to re-run LC, counsel need about 2-3 weeks to answer the questions you've asked. Had the patent been disclosed in a timely fashion they would have had that time long before LC. Having some questions answered I believe will help LC discussion. I hope this doesn't inconvenience anyone.
Thanks, Eliot On 5/9/12 10:26 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Hi Mike, > > On 05/09/2012 08:34 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: >> On 05/09/2012 12:17 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: >>> Whoever you talk to for legal advice about IPR issues related to >>> standards you might implement. My only point is, this group is not >>> qualified to comment on IPR matters. >> The IETF gets to decide whether it wants to create standards that >> use (potentially) encumbered IP. It is the wg's responsibility to >> decide whether it is a necessary evil, or whether the damage can be >> routed around. How a working group does that without having a >> discussion is a mystery to me. > Yeah, its tricky stuff. The key point as I understand it is > not to get into discussion about licensing arrangements or > other commercial matters, nor about the validity of the IPR > itself, which are not our business. While we may or may not > have opinions that 90+% of the output of all patent offices > in the ICT space is pure rubbish, those are not directly > relevant for the WG. If you're not sure, ask the chairs or > me and we can try help. > > The question is as Hannes stated: does this new information > change the WG's opinion of this document or not. Silence is > taken to mean "not" in this case. > > S > >> Mike >> >>> EH >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15 PM >>>> To: Eran Hammer >>>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG >>>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer >>>> >>>> On 05/09/2012 12:06 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: >>>>> So no discussion of this is expected on the list - correct? That's >>>>> what I >>>> wanted to clarify. You asked the WG to "think" about its potential >>>> implications but I don't want that "thinking" to happen out-loud on >>>> this list... >>>>> Raising the issue with your internal IPR team is the right step. >>>> What internal IPR team? The IETF is not a corpro-only club. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>>> EH >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:37 AM >>>>>> To: Eran Hammer >>>>>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG >>>>>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Eran, >>>>>> >>>>>> if you care about the specification (and want to use it in your >>>>>> products) then you may want to reach out to your IPR folks and ask for >>>> their judgement. >>>>>> They may be able to tell you whether they find the cited IPR >>>>>> applicable and whether they had experience with the IPR holder >>>>>> already. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ciao >>>>>> Hannes >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 9, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Eran Hammer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What exactly is the expected WG discussion on this? I hope people >>>>>>> here >>>>>> are not expected to read the patent and make legal decisions about >>>>>> the patent's validity or even applicability as these are questions >>>>>> for lawyers, not engineers. >>>>>>> EH >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:44 AM >>>>>>>> To: oauth@ietf.org WG >>>>>>>> Subject: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> an IPR disclosure had been submitted for the OAuth bearer document >>>>>>>> recently. In case you may have missed it, here is the link to it: >>>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1752/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The ADs will re-run the IETF last call due to this new IPR filing >>>>>>>> and we would also like the working group to check the IPR and to >>>>>>>> think about potential implications. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ciao >>>>>>>> Hannes& Derek >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> OAuth mailing list >>>>>>>> OAuth@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OAuth mailing list >>>>> OAuth@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >> _______________________________________________ >> OAuth mailing list >> OAuth@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth >> > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > > _______________________________________________ OAuth mailing list OAuth@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth
