On 05/09/2012 12:17 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:
Whoever you talk to for legal advice about IPR issues related to standards you 
might implement. My only point is, this group is not qualified to comment on 
IPR matters.

The IETF gets to decide whether it wants to create standards that
use (potentially) encumbered IP. It is the wg's responsibility to
decide whether it is a necessary evil, or whether the damage can be
routed around. How a working group does that without having a
discussion is a mystery to me.

Mike


EH

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Thomas [mailto:m...@mtcc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15 PM
To: Eran Hammer
Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

On 05/09/2012 12:06 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:
So no discussion of this is expected on the list - correct? That's what I
wanted to clarify. You asked the WG to "think" about its potential
implications but I don't want that "thinking" to happen out-loud on this list...
Raising the issue with your internal IPR team is the right step.
What internal IPR team? The IETF is not a corpro-only club.

Mike
EH

-----Original Message-----
From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofe...@gmx.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:37 AM
To: Eran Hammer
Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG
Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

Hi Eran,

if you care about the specification (and want to use it in your
products) then you may want to reach out to your IPR folks and ask for
their judgement.
They may be able to tell you whether they find the cited IPR
applicable and whether they had experience with the IPR holder already.

Ciao
Hannes

On May 9, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:

What exactly is the expected WG discussion on this? I hope people
here
are not expected to read the patent and make legal decisions about
the patent's validity or even applicability as these are questions
for lawyers, not engineers.
EH

-----Original Message-----
From: oauth-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-boun...@ietf.org] On
Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:44 AM
To: oauth@ietf.org WG
Subject: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

Hi all,

an IPR disclosure had been submitted for the OAuth bearer document
recently. In case you may have missed it, here is the link to it:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1752/

The ADs will re-run the IETF last call due to this new IPR filing
and we would also like the working group to check the IPR and to
think about potential implications.

Thanks.

Ciao
Hannes&   Derek

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